SamuraiBlue
Captain
It's not anything glamorous I am afraid to say.
Here is the same news published by the Japan Times;
In other word something old.
It's not anything glamorous I am afraid to say.
Here is the same news published by the Japan Times;
In other word something old.
I see. Old news and whatever "discussions" or drama (if there was any), is already past.
And based on that report, I would say it is for replacement parts for older vessels in any case, and probably not for the Type 26 frigates.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Today UK is not a international player as it once was, they have lost credibility thank to our leaders and politicians
A era which requires hardball diplomacy backed with with tough taking weighted in with heavy naval muscle is not something the UK can do today
This was even more obvious when at the side lines of the recent G20 meeting Putin referred to the UK as "just a small island" that nobody listens to even more insults were thrown by other Russian leaders
Retiring of the carrier and the Nimrod fleet was the final nail in the coffin for the Royal Navy
We might have a fleet tomorrow but today Royal Navy has just one platform from where they can launch offensive strikes thats the Tomahawk equipped SSNs
At best they could spare two SSN for strikes thats it, 20 Tomahawks per SSN gives a modest 40 missile strike capability hardly anything to worry about
If UK wants to be a global player if it wants to be recognised like before it MUST add critical mass to its navy
That's means 12 x Type 45 DDG equiped with Tomahawks
That's means atleast another 13 x FFG on top of the new Type 26 FFG
It means two LPD operational togther with not one in reserve
It requires one more LHD to add to HMS Ocean
And it requires two full carriers on a full load of 36 x F35B operational most of the time
Plus 6 MARS replenishment tankers not 4
If UK wants credibility it needs the navy to back it up there's no way two ways about it
A era which requires hardball diplomacy backed with with tough taking weighted in with heavy naval muscle is not something the UK can do today
This was even more obvious when at the side lines of the recent G20 meeting Putin referred to the UK as "just a small island" that nobody listens to even more insults were thrown by other Russian leaders
Retiring of the carrier and the Nimrod fleet was the final nail in the coffin for the Royal Navy
We might have a fleet tomorrow but today Royal Navy has just one platform from where they can launch offensive strikes thats the Tomahawk equipped SSNs
At best they could spare two SSN for strikes thats it, 20 Tomahawks per SSN gives a modest 40 missile strike capability hardly anything to worry about
If UK wants to be a global player if it wants to be recognised like before it MUST add critical mass to its navy
That's means 12 x Type 45 DDG equiped with Tomahawks
That's means atleast another 13 x FFG on top of the new Type 26 FFG
It means two LPD operational togther with not one in reserve
It requires one more LHD to add to HMS Ocean
And it requires two full carriers on a full load of 36 x F35B operational most of the time
Plus 6 MARS replenishment tankers not 4
If UK wants credibility it needs the navy to back it up there's no way two ways about it
Jura The idiot
General
Immediately I had read this post, I used google and tried to estimate if such a build-up could realistically be achieved (I live in a country without sea access, and with 30 thousands people in armed forces, this number including civilian personnel). Well, the United Kingdom is the #4 world military spender in 2013 and, if I understand properly , the military share of 2013 public spending is going to be: 31.5/506.3=6.2% ... now, my price tag for the six items listed above is 100 billion pounds (please correct this number, I just hope it's not completely off) which would require to increase military spendings by roughly one half for the next ten years!
thunderchief
Senior Member
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Problem is not money problem is policy
London stock exchange investment bankers make more than medical consultants, they set all the prices on the shares to get kick backs and everything else just follows
In UK we have too much corruption, back benchers, MPs, Chancellors and Politcans all have thier fingers in all sorts of tastey pies
They get billions in bonuces while we cut cut cut and cut further every budget we have, it's deregulated it's not accountability it's day light robbery going on it must end
Building 12 x Type 45 DDG would have spread the cost over 12 units the unit cost per ship would come down, the wear and tare over 12 units over 6 would over the life of the programme work out cheaper per ships
With 12 we would have more flexibility and wouldn't be so hard pressed with 6 we are right on the limit and the huge cost doesn't justify just 6 units only 12 would be better but we couldnt pass the programme past the politicians who benefited from just 6 units leaving the navy to pick up the pieces
They are spending £60 billion on HS2 thats high speed 2 from only from London to Manchester about 300 miles completion date 2035!!??
Thats almost $100 billion why is it going ahead? Well just take a guess
Few extra billion for DDG programme is nothing to UK national budget but the people in power don't allow it
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thunderchief
Senior Member
Basically , you are saying they should increase taxes on big banks controlling City and stock exchange . There is just one small problem with that
: not only they control politicians , they may decide to move from London to some other metropolis from New York to Shanghai . Realistically , there is nothing much to keep them in Britain except tradition and bad weather . If British government goes against them it might just kill the goose laying golden eggs . Projects like that usually serve to spread some money to less developed part of country . It is just cover for 3 billion per year charity to some areas .
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Taxing kills growth, The US maintains its massive military though the fact of it's massive economy. even at its largest speending. The portion of military spending is a fraction of the Total US GDP. If the UK wanted growth the best way to do that is not to tax. its to encurage growth in there economy... slash the tax rate and encourage buisness to come home they will then start hiring and growing as they do so the market grows the tax rate stays the same but because of the increased market activity the volume of tax revinue rises. hence the military budget increases as GDP jumps.
The UK is going to sell its last aircraft carrier HMS Illustrious after its going to be decommissioned at the end of 2014. Since the ship has to stay in the UK the casino story in Macau is out of the question. Perhabs we can raise the funds here at SDF for this ship.
Perhabs we can raise the funds here at SDF for this ship.
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