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abc123

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The Mk-41 will allow them to launch ASROCs.

The helos will allow them to search for and prosecute subs at rnge and their own sonar for close in detection.

Locally launched torpedoes are a good thing as insurance and a bit extra for close in prosecution...and potetnially, for the right torps, even last ditch ASW.

Armed as stated above, these FFGs will be very decent combatants.

Whether they are as good at overall ASW as the Type 23s will be seen. They will need similarly powerful and good sensors to go with the other.


Well they should be at least as good as Type 23s. But the trouble is will Britain have the money/will to buy decent anti-ship/land attack/ASROC armament for them. Because I seriously doubt that.

Do you think the cost of single Type 26 ( about 1,1 billion USD ) as justified in bang for buck? With that that armament isn't included in that cost, most probably, except fot the Mk45?
 

Jeff Head

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Well they should be at least as good as Type 23s. But the trouble is will Britain have the money/will to buy decent anti-ship/land attack/ASROC armament for them. Because I seriously doubt that.

Do you think the cost of single Type 26 ( about 1,1 billion USD ) as justified in bang for buck? With that that armament isn't included in that cost, most probably, except fot the Mk45?
I think 1.1 billion USD is far too much for any frigate.

But the problem is ecomomy of scale and the RN simply does not build enough hulls to rive the cost down.

They should join with the US...or with two or three other European countries to do so...but they hav tried before and we know how that goes.

They could probably team with the US and get what they want and tag it on to enough hulls to drive the cost down.

But I do not think that is going to happen either.

So, you spend what you have to spend to ensure your defense. They have the money...there are a dozen feel good, wasteful social programs that could be cut back 5% each that would provide more than enough for all of them.
 

abc123

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I think 1.1 billion USD is far too much for any frigate.

But the problem is ecomomy of scale and the RN simply does not build enough hulls to rive the cost down.

They should join with the US...or with two or three other European countries to do so...but they hav tried before and we know how that goes.

They could probably team with the US and get what they want and tag it on to enough hulls to drive the cost down.

But I do not think that is going to happen either.

So, you spend what you have to spend to ensure your defense. They have the money...there are a dozen feel good, wasteful social programs that could be cut back 5% each that would provide more than enough for all of them.

Fully agreed Jeff.

Not to mention foreign aid budget- 0,7% of GDP.
 
the string "saving" occurs eleven times inside, so again Apr 1, 2016
all I can say is God Save The Queen:
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UK launches new Strategic Defence and Security Review

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The Ministry of Defence, the Treasury and other key departments are taking part in a British government review of national security capabilities, which is expected to report toward the end of the year.

The work supports the ongoing implementation of the 2015 national security strategy and the Strategic Defence and Security Review, or SDSR, the Cabinet Office, the government department leading the review effort, said in a statement.

“The national security capability review will include examination of the policy and plans which support implementation of the national security strategy, and help to ensure that the U.K.’s investment in national security capabilities is as joined-up, effective and efficient as possible, to address current national security challenges,” a statement from the Cabinet Office said.

Several government departments are involved in what the Cabinet Office described as individual strands of work being taken forward by cross-departmental teams to feed into the review.

A government source said the MoD, the Treasury, the Home Office and the Foreign Office were all involved in a Cabinet Office-led review set to run for 90 days.

A Cabinet Office spokeswoman said the outcome of the review would likely be published in it’s annual review of progress on SDSR set for the end of the year.

Several industry executives said the MoD strand of the review has been underway for around a month and is set to run for a total of 60 days.

The MoD work is being led by Will Jessett, the department’s director for strategic planning, said the executives.

Jessett led MoD’s work on the well-regarded, but inadequately funded, 2015 SDSR.

The MoD declined to comment on the new review and referred questions to the Cabinet Office.

Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon has previously acknowledged that some parts of the SDSR need to be “refreshed” but stopped short of confirming the Cabinet Office Is conducting a review.

Speaking to reporters during a recent trip to Washington, Fallon linked the refresh to Britain’s exit from the European Union, although the Cabinet Office statement announcing its review made no direct mention of Brexit.

“It’s quite reasonable, I think, to look at the [SDSR] and see whether it still holds good in the light of Brexit from 2019 onwards,” he said.

“The [SDSR] is based on the spending period envisioned under the previous parliament, [2015 through 2020]. We’re now in a new situation in parliament, ’17 through ’22, enough to recalibrate the end of those programs.”

A spokeswoman for the Cabinet Office, which supports the work of the prime minister and the Cabinet, declined to give any further details on the extent of the review being led by National Security Adviser Mark Sedwill.

Considerable attention has been focused here in recent months by the media, retired senior officers and others on MoD budget shortfalls and the potential impact on military capabilities, but the spokeswoman would not say whether those issues would figure in the review.

One MoD source claimed the review was not about the affordability of the equipment plan but refreshing cross-government priorities.

Whether the equipment procurement plan and military capabilities are part of the review, the defense budget going forward appears to be in a mire, exacerbated by the steep fall in the value of the pound against the dollar and the euro.

The MoD has committed to spending £178 billion (U.S. $2.3 billion) on the equipment plan over the next 10 years. The largest element of that program is the start of construction of four Dreadnought-class ballistic missile submarines in a program set to cost at least £31 billion (U.S. $40 billion).

A sizeable chunk of that equipment plan spending, £9.2 billion (U.S. 12 billion), was mandated by SDSR 2015 to be generated by efficiencies and reprioritizing programs over a five-year period with the money saved being recycled into other parts of the MoD equipment plan.

Over the 10-year period of the equipment plan, the need for efficiency savings is significantly greater, according to Stephen Lovegrove, the MoD’s permanent secretary and the department’s most senior civil servant.

“We will need to devote much more, and more expert, resources to seeking out and securing the £20 billion of efficiencies we must make over the next 10 years. Notwithstanding our increasing budgets, our ambitious equipment program will not be affordable without them,” he said during a speech at the Institute for Government in London recently.

The total MoD budget this year stands at £36 billion (U.S. $47 billion). The Conservative Government is committed to annually raising defense spending by 0.5 percent above the rate of inflation until 2022.

Almost half of the 10-year savings is expected to come from the British Army.

Even the £9.2 billion in savings, which is part of the £20 billion (U.S. $26 billion) figure, is proving difficult to achieve, and the task is only going to get harder if Lovegrove’s target is to be met.

“This search for the holy grail of £20 billion in savings is unrealistic. The savings that were available have already largely been taken; the low-hanging fruit has already been swallowed up over the last decade or so. The only significant thing left is really taking the knife to the body proper,” said John Louth, the director for defense, industries and society at the Royal United Services Institute think tank in London.

The MoD has only recently signed-off it’s 2018 fiscal year annual spending plans, known as the annual budget cycle, after a struggle to match budgets to commitments.

Louth said that Jessett and Lovegrove are mostly focused on identifying early-year savings from the MoD spending plans rather than any broader refresh of SDSR envisaged by the Cabinet Office review.

“The MoD has enormous problems. They are hoping that the potential savings in the defense estate could be brought to bear in the early years [of the savings], and I’m not sure how realistic that is,” Louth said.

“SDSR 2015 is built on the premise there would be the so-called efficiency savings, and those savings have not been identified. Unless they are, SDSR is unaffordable, and we are back to where we were in 2010-11 with the potential for an ever-increasing bow wave of defense spending to swamp the department in the future,” he said.

Louth said the MoD’s talk of efficiencies is a bit of a misnomer

“In the main, it’s not efficiency in terms of doing more with the same, or the same with a little bit less; it’s absolutely about capability cuts,” he said.

“They will realise fairly quickly there are not the size of savings they need, so they are really talking about what capabilities they value above others or they will have to recapitalize, which effectively means putting more money into defense.”
 
Sunday at 8:56 AM
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I didn't figure the placement of Sea Ceptors (I think they come in 4-cell arrays:
Sea-Septor-Missile-Graphic-FLAADSM-740x417.jpg
), added just schematically now in blue below (the total should be 48 missiles (LOL not arrays) according to "the commitment" made in 2014:
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back to Mk 41: it's possible they
  1. won't purchase it, just "reserve the space for eventual installation", or
  2. won't purchase the missiles for it Jul 3, 2017
anyway they're years away from binding decisions about the weaponry:
I mean now it's all just Computer Graphics (and Politicians getting ready for FFBNW, I'm afraid)
Monday at 3:37 PM
Yesterday at 8:56 AM

... and now I searched for the most recent CGs; the placement of Sea Ceptor missiles (SC) would be like this:
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...

LOL they changed the CG most recently:
Published on Jul 27, 2017
HygK3.jpg


so:
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but still:
as I said, what matters is if they will, or won't, get Mk 41 VLS, and if it would be filled with an empty air, or with LRASMs, ASROCs, TLAMs ... SM-3 cooperating with the SAMPSON of Type 45 would be a total fantasy considering the RN can't even afford the Harpoons effective next year Nov 11, 2016
 

FORBIN

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RFA Fort Victoria has arrived back in the UK after more than two years away.

The auxiliary ship arrived in Crombie, Fife, to be greeted by the head of the RFA, Cdre Duncan Lamb.
“During an eventful and often hectic operational deployment Fort Victoria has provided a consistently high level of support to UK and coalition partners displaying capability and versatility in both the Mediterranean and Arabian Gulf theatres of operations,” he said.

During her 26-month deployment, Fort Victoria carried out a total of 150 underway replenishment operations, issuing 58,634 cubic metres of F76 diesel – enough to fill one million average family saloons, 1,669 cubic metres of F44 aviation fuel, enough to fill a 747 jumbo jet seven times, and transferred 617 pallets of various stores, ranging from ice cream to ammunition.
She spent the majority of her time East of Suez in support of coalition forces’ counter piracy and counter narcotics operations. She was also called upon to re-deploy to the Aegean Sea between March and May last year in order to provide assistance and additional assets to operations taking place in the region.

In March this year Fort Victoria’s embarked Sea King helicopter played a vital role in the location and seizure of a drug-running dhow. These actions resulted in a US boarding team apprehending the suspect vessel and successfully locating 278 kg of pure heroin. This drug haul, if distributed, would have been worth upwards of £40m on the streets of the UK.

Fort Victoria will now undergo a period of maintenance, equipment upgrades and modifications, which will enable the ship, together with the Tide-class tankers, to operate in support of HMS Queen Elizabeth when she enters service later this year.

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FORBIN

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BAE details slowing Typhoon production rate

BAE Systems delivered 10 Eurofighter Typhoons in the first half of this year, as the UK company and its European partners wait for further international sales to safeguard long-term production of the type.

Of the aircraft delivered from BAE's Typhoon final assembly line in Warton, Lancashire in the six months ending 30 June, four were for the UK Royal Air Force and six for export customers. These included the last four fighters from a 72-unit Project Salam deal with Saudi Arabia, and the lead pair of aircraft for Oman (one pictured, below), which has ordered 12 for delivery through 2018.
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