Typhoon Haiyan Disaster in the Philippines

AssassinsMace said:

China sent search and rescue teams to Haiti after the earthquake before the US got there which supposedly infuriated Obama. Did we see any kudos for China? And then when there were reports that Western countries' search and rescue teams were only searching for their people first, all of the sudden stories popped-up that China's teams were only looking for their people first making no mention of the criticism of Western countries before. China could send the most money and aid to the Philippines and does anyone think China would get kudos? No, it would be ignored.

The irony is all this criticism has nothing to do with helping people. It's a pissing contest by nationalistic countries. Like I mentioned before there have been scandals about organizations that handle donations taking a chunk for themselves for so-called administrative costs. Are the critics going to subtract that amount or are they going to count the whole amount so it looks big for PR purposes?

There's a Pandora's Box of criticism right back at you if anyone thinks they can criticize China.

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Dude, last we looked, Haiti has nothing to do with CURRENT sufferings in The Philippines. There are people dying in China's backyard, and the new "Great Power" is doing little to assist. Is that the message Xi Huandi wants the world to see? Really?

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AssassinsMace said:

It's hard for the Philippines to give an apology for murdering an unarmed fisherman and the mass murder of tourists. You have to wonder who's more materialistic.

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We're talking about tens of thousands of dead innocent Filipinos, and millions more suffering right now. China wants to be seen as a different kind of great power than traditional bigoted Western and genocidal Japan powers, and it's doing exactly that. And the message is clear; the ChiComs don't care about innocent people suffering right in their backyard, because they dare to argue with the Red Emperor over some rocks in the ocean.

Might be too early to comment on things. The material aids could possibly form a much larger portion than those in monetary terms.




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BEIJING, Nov. 13 (Xinhua) -- China will provide emergency humanitarian aid to the Philippine government in the wake of Typhoon Haiyan, the Ministry of Commerce said Wednesday.

Relief supplies, including tents and blankets, will be delivered to the Philippines soon, the ministry said on its website.

Chinese President Xi Jinping on Wednesday conveyed condolences to his Philippine counterpart Benigno Aquino III.

Typhoon Haiyan, the strongest typhoon in the country's history, hit central Philippines on Nov. 8. Latest official figures showed 2,275 people have been killed in the Philippines.

Quickie said:

Might be too early to comment on things. The material aids could possibly form a much larger portion than those in monetary terms.

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BEIJING, Nov. 13 (Xinhua) -- China will provide emergency humanitarian aid to the Philippine government in the wake of Typhoon Haiyan, the Ministry of Commerce said Wednesday.

Relief supplies, including tents and blankets, will be delivered to the Philippines soon, the ministry said on its website.

Chinese President Xi Jinping on Wednesday conveyed condolences to his Philippine counterpart Benigno Aquino III.

Typhoon Haiyan, the strongest typhoon in the country's history, hit central Philippines on Nov. 8. Latest official figures showed 2,275 people have been killed in the Philippines.

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Good to hear this. China is too important to the world, and must be a good leader in the global commons.

Blackstone said:

Dude, last we looked, Haiti has nothing to do with CURRENT sufferings in The Philippines. There are people dying in China's backyard, and the new "Great Power" is doing little to assist. Is that the message Xi Huandi wants the world to see? Really?

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Dude, we know your criticism is purely political and has nothing to with trying to help people. Take a look at how much money was given to Haiti and how people forgot soon afterwards when more help was needed to follow up. How much does China have to give to satisfy you? More than the rest of the world combined? You're just looking at a dollar figure as a measurement of how much someone cares. People who think like that are generally poor people for a reason. There are plenty of cases where people can throw a fortune at a problem and nothing gets done. That's because there are problems with the people getting the money. Is the world suppose to blindly give money? I love the article with the headline China is the 2nd richest country. Another manipulation because most of the developed world still considers China a poor country by per capita income. People and nations use disasters for their own political purposes. Why don't you criticize them? I'm heading down the road where China should do nothing because if it did now in light of this fake outrage criticism, it would be now criticized as being insincere so they don't lose face and not feel obligated or thankful to China in anyway.

Blackstone said:

We're talking about tens of thousands of dead innocent Filipinos, and millions more suffering right now. China wants to be seen as a different kind of great power than traditional bigoted Western and genocidal Japan powers, and it's doing exactly that. And the message is clear; the ChiComs don't care about innocent people suffering right in their backyard, because they dare to argue with the Red Emperor over some rocks in the ocean.

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And vastly more Chinese died in the Sichuan earthquake. Did you see China whine about how the world did not help? All China got was people publicly saying China deserved it and those in the media taunted how Westerners (actually they put it as "the world") didn't care by dollar amount as a measurement alone.

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Blackstone said:

Taiwan Province donated $200k (the cheap bastards); CCP donates $100k (new great power relations). You don't see anything wrong with that?

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No I don't. Do you understand the meaning of the word *DONATION*??

Blackstone said:

We're talking about tens of thousands of dead innocent Filipinos, and millions more suffering right now. China wants to be seen as a different kind of great power than traditional bigoted Western and genocidal Japan powers, and it's doing exactly that. And the message is clear; the ChiComs don't care about innocent people suffering right in their backyard, because they dare to argue with the Red Emperor over some rocks in the ocean.

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So it's tens of thousands now? Last time I checked, "10,000" was an overestimate. The death toll is currently around 2500. While that figure is likely to spike, as it usually does in these kinds of situations, as it currently stands, no credible source is claiming tens of thousands.

According to your logic, donating $100k USD + material relief = not caring about innocent people suffering?

So tell us, Blackstone, how much have *YOU* donated? That amount better be over $100K or else you're just a heartless bastard yourself.

AssassinsMace said:

Dude, we know your criticism is purely political and has nothing to with trying to help people.

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Cheap shot and you're wrong.

And vastly more Chinese died in the Sichuan earthquake. Did you see China whine about how the world did not help? All China got was people publicly saying China deserved it and those in the media taunted how Westerners didn't care by dollar amount as a measurement alone.

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First of all, China did a tremendous job helping herself and didn't need anyone else. That's not a surprise since the CCP was taken to the woodshed over previous natural disasters for poor performance. Second, nations all over the world offered China help; the fact China didn't need them speaks well to her own abilities as she resumes her traditional place atop of Asia/the world. Finally, had China need help, she would have received it from people all over the world, starting from the good old USA!

Blackstone said:

Cheap shot and you're wrong.




First of all, China did a tremendous job helping herself and didn't need anyone else. That's not a surprise since the CCP was taken to the woodshed over previous natural disasters for poor performance. Second, nations all over the world offered China help; the fact China didn't need them speaks well to her own abilities as she resumes her traditional place atop of Asia/the world. Finally, had China need help, she would have received it from people all over the world, starting from the good old USA!

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You're the cheap shot using this disaster to bash China. It's people like you that make me apathetic. You don't think the richer West can't handle this for you better? Expecting China is like expecting a dog trick for one's own pleasure. It's not really hard for the Philippine government to ask China if it could help. Is it because of ego? According to the media the world saw China as less important to help even noting that most of the money offered in donations were from corporations just looking to get on the good side of China so they can make money.

Bltizo said:

I think calls that china only contributed 100k cannot be justified because it is a "developing country". It is still te worlds second largest economy.

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Any nation has an obligation to help its own citizens first and foremost. The low per-capita income of the Chinese population means millions of people are struggling daily for basic necessities.

Any money the Chinese government gives in aid comes necessarily from the pockets of the Chinese taxpayers. This is money that would normally be used to pay pensions and healthcare to the elderly, to build schools for remote mountain villages, and to provide subsidy for farmers affected by drought or flood.

Therefore, in giving aid, the Chinese government needs to justify to the Chinese people why it should divert money from much needed public funds to a foreign nation. As the situation currently stands, the Chinese government cannot justify it as the Chinese people overwhelmingly oppose sending aid to Philippines.

Blackstone said:

Cheap shot and you're wrong.

First of all, China did a tremendous job helping herself and didn't need anyone else. That's not a surprise since the CCP was taken to the woodshed over previous natural disasters for poor performance. Second, nations all over the world offered China help; the fact China didn't need them speaks well to her own abilities as she resumes her traditional place atop of Asia/the world. Finally, had China need help, she would have received it from people all over the world, starting from the good old USA!

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So you're basically saying that any wealthy nation should be expected to help themselves while poor nations should expect other people to help them.

What are you, some kind of communist?