Type 560 Runs Aground

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Jeff Head

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joshuatree said:
Grounding is not an uncommon issue here in the Spratlys. BRP Sierra Madre is grounded on Second Thomas Reef and BRP Benguet on Thitu Island. I don't ever see 054s patrolling these waters unless it's some sort of special military operation. It's too dangerous for ships of such displacement. That's why the 056s are being produced. The 560 is part of 6 econo ships built in the 1990s and their displacement is more in the 1500 ton range like the 056.
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Well said.

The Type 054A, in addition to being a military "overkill" is not nearly as suited from just a pure physcial capability standpoint in terms of draft. Such vessels would need to stand off in deeper waters or channels and support the lighter vessels...but in this case, it is not necessary.

I like the 056 OPV and believe they will be a great addition to the PLAN.
 
ManilaBoy45

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Re: Type 560 Rans Aground

Jeff Head said:
Well said.

The Type 054A, in addition to being a military "overkill" is not nearly as suited from just a pure physcial capability standpoint in terms of draft. Such vessels would need to stand off in deeper waters or channels and support the lighter vessels...but in this case, it is not necessary.

I like the 056 OPV and believe they will be a great addition to the PLAN.
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plawolf said:
Plus this grounding provides an example of the shallowness of some of the waters in the area. If a Jianhu can run aground, it would be far easier for an 054A to do so. It would be interesting to know the reasons and circumstances surrounding the grounding. Was the area well charted as a navigation risk? Was there adverse weather conditions at the time? Was there a failure of key navigation equipment? Probably things we will never find out, but I think unless there are truly exceptional mitigating circumstances, the career of the luckless captain of that ship is surely over.
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Or probably on purpose. Whatever the reason, China now has legitimate reasons to put a full engineering team onto the shoal.
 
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This thread is being closely watched. Any discussion in unwelcome areas beyond the ships usual role and the salvage mission can be expected to result in swift and possible permanent action.

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Engineer said:
Or probably on purpose. Whatever the reason, China now has legitimate reasons to put a full engineering team onto the shoal.
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While I'm seeing this conspiracy theory being floated on the net, I doubt it. 560 and 563 were refitted in 2008, if they wanted to play this tactic, they would have used a more expendable vessel. Maybe a Jianghu I instead. While we'll never really know, it would be interesting to learn of what the cause for grounding is - new captain, inexperienced crew at helm, mechanical failure, weather? As stated by others, this vessel makes regular patrols there.
 
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kickars

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joshuatree said:
I've been rather patient and biting my tongue on the SCS thread being shut down but I don't get why this incident requires a separate thread? It should have been in the closed SCS thread but the ASEAN news thread would be the next most logical choice. I don't see a whole lot of technical discussion on 560. If you want to bring up the word "invasion", it would be a bunch of PI hawks with new usernames posting in the SCS thread forcing it to be closed to the rest of us who were politely discussing the topic and now don't have that avenue.

60 miles from Palawan puts the ship in international waters, not territorial waters. If you want to argue about being supposedly in PI's EEZ, according to even the US, "all nations may legitimately engage in military activities in foreign exclusive economic zones, without prior notice to, or consent of, the coastal State concerned." If you disagree, then what the USNS Impeccable did was illegal which is what China's viewpoint is. So you can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Wait a minute... Are you talking to me? I'm not the one who brought up the word "invasion", or thinking China hasn't got the right to have their warships in that area. Are you sure you are not replying to that 'boy'? Coz, I totally agree with what you said. And if you look at my post again, that's exactly what I wanted to say to that 'boy'. Anyway, hopefully it will get rescued soon.
 
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kickars said:
Wait a minute... Are you talking to me? I'm not the one who brought up the word "invasion", or thinking China hasn't got the right to have their warships in that area. Are you sure you are not replying to that 'boy'? Coz, I totally agree with what you said. And if you look at my post again, that's exactly what I wanted to say to that 'boy'. Anyway, hopefully it will get rescued soon.
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Hi kickars, no, I was merely augmenting to your reply. My post was in response to the original posting that appears to have since been edited. :eek:
 
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pendragon

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Any clarity about wether the ship accidentally ran aground or was intentionally beached ?
Is there any official Chinese reaction ?

until then ... i'll have a cup of coffee !
 
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