Type 076 LHD/LHA discussion

Ringsword

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What a difference a little over a year makes. From a few joined keel modules to her launch, the speed is impressive.

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To be more accurate-"what difference China speed makes!!" Look at the reaction time of the rescue effort initiated by the Chinese gov't during the recent Xizang-Tibet earhquake -"Chubby Girls" Y20's were in the air within 30 minutes with aid/personnel.Love it
 

aubzman

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For as long as I can remember, every time China makes an engineering accomplishment for example:
2003 - Shenzhou 5 mission.........First Chinese man in space
2008 - Beijing to Tianjin line........China's first HSR rail line
2011 - J-20 stealth jet fighter.......First flight

There was no shortage of "snide remarks" coming from Western media sources stating China:
a) copy
b) borrow
c) stole
the technology, or is simply replicating the West's previous engineering accomplishments.

I think the most unique aspect of the Type 076 warship is not its EM catapult or the fact it's the largest amphibious ship.....I haven't heard any "snide remarks" coming from Western media sources. It's as if all the hecklers in the room have decided to be quiet and sit down. Folks I think we've entered an inflection point between Chinese and Western relations.
Just to confirm, the 076 does have arresting gear, right? If that is so, and coupled with the EMALS, that would be an elegant way of bypassing building a VTOL fighter, since at least the J-35 should be able to operate off it (in addition to the various UCAV/CCAs) ? This way the 076 would oppose head-on (in terms of capability i mean) the american LHAs with their F-35Bs. And while having the J-50 operate off it as theorized some pages back would be a bit premature for now, a future 076A variant (let's call it that) might as well be able to do that too.
If someone could produce a image where J15 or J35 fighter silhouettes are placed over the aircraft parking areas on the Type 76 flight deck and/or lifts, we might be able to see if operating heavy manned fighters from it is realistically possible. It looks pretty tight to me.
 

no_name

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I think Americans/westerners are finally realizing that China finally catching up enough that they can actually innovate and come up with radical new designs is actually a bad thing for them. In another decade, Americans will wish to go back to the days where they could claim that China copied everything from them. We already saw that with the Russians, not happy that China copied so much of their aerospace tech back in the 90s/00s, but even more unhappy when Chinese aerospace completely surpassed them.
Well, to borrow a line from old Joe,

"You can't believe in competition only when you are winning."
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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If someone could produce a image where J15 or J35 fighter silhouettes are placed over the aircraft parking areas on the Type 76 flight deck and/or lifts,

Someone made a CG comparison illustration on Weibo of F-35Bs on an "Alpha Strike" flight deck (right) of an America LHA versus a hypothetical Chinese counterpart to the "Alpha Strike" flight deck with J-35s on the 076 LHD (left):

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It should be noted that the PLAN neither considers nor envisions their LHDs to play the role of lighting carriers, as the LHDs (both 075 and 076) are primarily meant to conduct and support amphibious assault operations, and that the warplanes (manned and/or unmanned) carried are specially tailored towards supporting allied amphibious forces assaulting the enemy's shore-based forces and installations, plus securing allied beachheads. Hence, the above illustration should only be taken as reference.

Replace those J-35 and KJ-600 models on the 076 LHD's flight deck with those of the navalized variants of GJ-11 and WZ-10, and you would get a closer representation on how the 076 LHD should work in practice.

we might be able to see if operating heavy manned fighters from it is realistically possible. It looks pretty tight to me.

In theory, the J-15Ts could have a real tight fit on the elevator decks. But in practice, not possible.

And it's not just about the elevator decks either - There's also the issue on how these heavy-weight fighters are supposed to be moved around the flight deck and hangar deck of the 076 LHD, which are magnitudes smaller (and hence, more cramped) than those on the proper CVs of the PLAN.

This means that the presumably navalized variant of the J-XDS in the future (of which the land-based J-XDS itself is already at least as big if not even bigger than the Sino Flankers) wouldn't make it onboard the 076 LHD.
 
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GiantPanda

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It is unbelievably exciting to see how they'll use the 076. It's really the first of its kind. A landing dock with a catapult.

Helos, fixed-wings, AEW, fighters, strike, manned, unmanned. Everything is on the table until we actually see the air wing!
 

aubzman

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Someone made a CG comparison illustration on Weibo of F-35Bs on an "Alpha Strike" flight deck (right) of an America LHA versus a hypothetical Chinese counterpart to the "Alpha Strike" flight deck with J-35s on the 076 LHD (left):

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It should be noted that the PLAN neither considers nor envisions their LHDs to play the role of lighting carriers, as the LHDs (both 075 and 076) are primarily meant to conduct and support amphibious assault operations, and that the warplanes (manned and/or unmanned) carried are specially tailored towards supporting allied amphibious forces assaulting the enemy's shore-based forces and installations, plus securing allied beachheads. Hence, the above illustration should only be taken as reference.

Replace those J-35 and KJ-600 models on the 076 LHD's flight deck with those of the navalized variants of GJ-11 and WZ-10, and you would get a closer representation on how the 076 LHD should work in practice.



In theory, the J-15Ts could have a real tight fit on the elevator decks. But in practice, not possible.

And it's not just about the elevator decks either - There's also the issue on how these heavy-weight fighters are supposed to be moved around the flight deck and hangar deck of the 076 LHD, which are magnitudes smaller (and hence, more cramped) than those on the proper CVs of the PLAN.

This means that the presumably navalized variant of the J-XDS in the future (of which the land-based J-XDS itself is already at least as big if not even bigger than the Sino Flankers) wouldn't make it onboard the 076 LHD.
Nice work dude. It seems from your image that 10-12 large fighters could be deck parked and still be able to have others land but deck maneuvering would be challenging to say the least of it. The lifts look too small as well although perhaps the Type 76 could be used in extremeis to land and launch manned fighters. GJ-11 is a much better fit
 
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