Type 022 Missile Boat

Gollevainen

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Re: Missiles for 2208 catamaran FAC

I'm not saying anything about the last pic...

But as for the missileracks, Interesting note is that they are different to the ones fitted in 170 & 171 DDGs. That doesen't mean that the missiles itselves are going to be different, it could be that the racks for 022 are lighter in weight for obvious reasons. Still anything 100% cannot be said on the racks alone.

Someone already pointed this out in CDF; to fit such a small and low-endurance boat without any missile fire control radar with heavy and longrange SSM which needs mid-course guidance sounds odd.

Here's a task to those with advanced photoediting tools, does the diameter of the Yj62 fit in those racks and two side-by-side in two rows fit to the diameter of the hangar?
 

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I'm not saying anything about the last pic...

But as for the missileracks, Interesting note is that they are different to the ones fitted in 170 & 171 DDGs. That doesen't mean that the missiles itselves are going to be different, it could be that the racks for 022 are lighter in weight for obvious reasons. Still anything 100% cannot be said on the racks alone.

Someone already pointed this out in CDF; to fit such a small and low-endurance boat without any missile fire control radar with heavy and longrange SSM which needs mid-course guidance sounds odd.

Here's a task to those with advanced photoediting tools, does the diameter of the Yj62 fit in those racks and two side-by-side in two rows fit to the diameter of the hangar?
i'm pretty sure the targetting is providing by Y-8s.

At this point, I'm just waiting for more pictures to come out.
 

sinowarrior

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I'm not saying anything about the last pic...

But as for the missileracks, Interesting note is that they are different to the ones fitted in 170 & 171 DDGs. That doesen't mean that the missiles itselves are going to be different, it could be that the racks for 022 are lighter in weight for obvious reasons. Still anything 100% cannot be said on the racks alone.

Someone already pointed this out in CDF; to fit such a small and low-endurance boat without any missile fire control radar with heavy and longrange SSM which needs mid-course guidance sounds odd.

Here's a task to those with advanced photoediting tools, does the diameter of the Yj62 fit in those racks and two side-by-side in two rows fit to the diameter of the hangar?

both yj-83 and yj62 need mid course guidance, and at least yj62 has longer range then yj-83, so i still think it is armed with the yj-62 due to the shape of rack, unless it is actully armed with FL-7 which is short range super sonic, and as shown during 99 parade, those missiles were placed on a mount bit similar to the mount on 022
 

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this interesting, describing an exercising involving type 22 FACs
解放军报宁波8月22日电盛夏的一天,东海某海域,海军某新型战艇乘风破浪。“进入作战海区,加强观察搜索!”下午14时许,艇长李树平向各部门下达指令。记者在各舱室看到,官兵紧张有序地在战位上操作着各种装备仪器。

导弹攻击演练指挥员周向前告诉记者:此次复杂电磁环境条件下实弹演练,是该型战艇装备部队后的首次实弹演练,不仅是对新装备作战性能的一次综合检验,也是对指战员应急处置能力和复杂电磁环境下指挥能力的一次考核。

话音刚落,传来信号兵的急促报告:“电磁干扰强烈,短波信号模糊,数据传输中断!”

“转换工作方式,更换备用网络,重新组织数据传输!”指挥员果断下达指令,通信部门一阵忙碌,通信很快恢复正常。

紧接着,雷达兵报告:“发现目标。”战艇立即准备实施导弹攻击。

谁知,螳螂捕蝉黄雀在后。就在导弹即将发射时,雷达部门再次报告:“目标参数异常,为电磁假目标。”与此同时,电子战兵也紧张地报告:“发现威胁目标向我袭来!”

“发射干扰弹,紧急规避!”艇长李树平惊出一身冷汗,迅速处置。战艇一阵急驰,经过连续多次变向,摆脱“敌”导弹追踪,官兵们长出了一口气。

然而,当战艇重新迂回到作战海区时,雷达显示屏上一片“雪花”。面对“敌”强电磁干扰,舰艇就像被蒙住了双眼。“更换备用频率!”人工排杂波、抗干扰无效后,指挥员下达新的指令。一番斗智斗勇,战艇最终突破天网,重新擦亮了眼睛。

“导弹准备发射!”在远程信息兵力引导下,“敌”舰方位距离、运动参数瞬间被传输到发射部门。“发射!”火焰升腾,利剑出鞘,片刻之间,导弹在“敌”舰上开了花。
basically describing encountering a strong ECM environment, loosing data link, getting tricked by a false target. Using chaff and rapid maneuvers to fend off opposing missiles.
 

sinowarrior

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Re: Missiles for 2208 catamaran FAC

this interesting, describing an exercising involving type 22 FACs

basically describing encountering a strong ECM environment, loosing data link, getting tricked by a false target. Using chaff and rapid maneuvers to fend off opposing missiles.

在远程信息兵力引导下,“敌”舰方位距离、运动参数瞬间被传输到发射部门
so the missiles require guidance from other platforms, so i guess any short range missile will be ruled out.
 

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Re: Missiles for 2208 catamaran FAC

Relying to outside targeting seriously limits the type 22 effectivity. Basicly it means that the ships are tied to only one tactical approach and are not able to adopt rapid changes in the battlefield. Its not just the mid course guidance but also the basic fire control coming from outside source. More so if the source is an aeroplane, the usefullness and operational ability is tied to the performance of the single airplane which is exposed to various limitations.

In the light of this, type 022 represents quite old fashined gentralized command philosofy and thus regardless of the modern outward look, actually makes the type 022 quite old fashioned coastal craft.
 

sinowarrior

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Relying to outside targeting seriously limits the type 22 effectivity. Basicly it means that the ships are tied to only one tactical approach and are not able to adopt rapid changes in the battlefield. Its not just the mid course guidance but also the basic fire control coming from outside source. More so if the source is an aeroplane, the usefullness and operational ability is tied to the performance of the single airplane which is exposed to various limitations.

In the light of this, type 022 represents quite old fashined gentralized command philosofy and thus regardless of the modern outward look, actually makes the type 022 quite old fashioned coastal craft.

but in this regard type 022 is acting like fighter aircraft under the command of AWAC, they are the platforms that carry the missiles whereas the targeting are done by better platforms. however i have the feeling that type 022 can be armed with either long range mid course correction missiles, for long range strike purpose or short range supersonic missiles to act as traditional missile boat, defending chinese water.
 

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but in this regard type 022 is acting like fighter aircraft under the command of AWAC, they are the platforms that carry the missiles whereas the targeting are done by better platforms

Exactly, but then you can ask yourself, how many modern fighter has no fire control radar of its own and have to rely on other platform to guide its missiles? Same question can be ask of modern FACs...

In tactical point of view, IMO the effectivity of the type 022 would be greatly increased if a flottilla of several type 022s is led by a large corvette with extensive C&C ability as well as fire control radars and a helicopter for mid-course guidance. As the FACs would operate in flotillas anyway this would greatly improve the flexibility of the crafts if the "seperate source" is comming from a ship that can operate in the same enviroment and have the same precence as the rest of the flotilla.
 

sinowarrior

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it may not be cost effective and also it will reduce the overall stealth feature of the type 022 if those radars are installed. 022 has to be formed as a pack, with information feed to them by either aerial or sea platforms
 

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I do agree with Goll though. It's a bizarre philosophy, harks back to the old Soviet PVA strategic interception system applied in a naval setting. Even the Tarantula missile boats with the Sunburns carry their own Bandstand radar, no matter how ungainly those huge bulbs look on top of small ships.

The PLAN has to be very confident of their networking and C31 abilities to pull something like this.

In addition to Y-8s, I think H-6Ms can also provide search and targeting information, and so can other ships with OTH capabilities, basically all the ships you see with a Bandstand like bulb.

Like Goll said, I like to see a corvette about the size of the Russian Proj. 2038 (Streguschy or something that I cannot spell right) corvette, that has the OTH radar, some organic air defense and datalinks that can help coordinate the Houbei Zerg. In the lack of this, it is probably that the larger ships like the 054As may do this function.
 
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