Re: What is the probability that 022 is actually a landing craft?
Is the Hamina class ten times more versatile than 022 because of the sensor suite and weapons? It's got like SSM, ASW rockets, and SAM missles. If that is the case, doesn't that go against your arguments of top heavy for such a small displacement at 250 tons? Because dimension wise, I think the 022 is slightly bigger so that should compensate for the monohull vs cat arguments.
Well Like I said, its main disadvantage is its small size. But monohulls have bit better tolerance for heavy load, as the most heaviest equipment, engines and ballast&other tanks can be placed under the waterline. Type022 is bigger, but it is a basic catamaran that outcludes lot of topweigth in a shiprole where it is allready sparse.
I do like the Hamina's small crew size, that works better for small FACs. I think the older type 37s has crew sizes of 60+ which is just too much in my opinion.
Yeas. But thats directly result of the level of automation. For our navy, which is made by conscripts and very limited ammount of them (if compared to the Army), manning has always been a proplem. Every batch of conscripts can only maintain like half of the ships with the navys peacetime strength and as the Hamina class with its sensors and capacity to be linked directly to the nationwide situation awarenes system (propaply has some fancyer english tittle
) is expected to be in sea more often than just in training sorties.
Why China hasn't implemented such solutions? I believe it has a lot to do with the European arms embargo coupled with China's limited development in certain equipment.
I think its due mostly of the speed how the class was impleded to the fleet. The need of this transistional phase called units that can really take best possiple advantage over the capacities of old generation of missile and torbedo FACs of whom wich to serve the whole extensive PLANs coastal defence structure has been build. To build totally new philosphy of boats that emphasis the independent operations and more prolonged patrol boat feature (role really belonging to various SRK type vessels in this sort of system) would have ment that PLAN would have had to create totally new infrastructure and operational network to support its coastal defences....
....and while at the same time transforming its navy out of the contest of coastal defences into bluewater navy, that sort of investment would have been pointless, kind of a step backwards.
So thats why it was logical to build a boat that really is best possiple in the tactical aspects of which the old centralised coastaldefence doctrine relyes and Type022 really takes advantage of speed and sthealth...
Goll, if you have been to China you would see and see the coastline from Hong Kong to Qingdao, you would see an extremely rugged coastline, marked with estuaries and numerous small islands. This is one of the most rugged coastlines in the world. You can get some idea of it browsing in Google Earth.
Yeas, but chinese potentia advisors that has the capacity of martime warfare arent anyway near of that coastline, are they
Like if you take look at the Gulf of Finland map, you will get the idea of why there isent any need for bluewater units, as the narrow gulf is the only meaningfull sea are where our navy needs to operate if there is going to be a war against...
China in other hand doesent have geographical limitations that dictates a need to tie its forces into the coastal regions.
