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About 100 Turkish military to start 5-month training to operate S-400 in 2019

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Around 100 Turkish military servicemen will undergo instruction in the operation and maintenance the S-400 systems at a training center in Russia in the autumn of 2019,

At Turkey’s request the S-400 systems being supplied will be equipped with friend-or-foe interrogators of Russian manufacture compatible with NATO standards. When the systems are delivered to Turkey, Turkish specialists will insert blocks with NATO codes and letter-designated frequencies.

The deployment of the Russian-made S-400 air defense systems will begin in October 2019, Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar said on Thursday, adding that Ankara had started recruiting military personnel to maintain the complexes.


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Well there goes the F-35 out the window!! Good for you Turkey, hope you "stay" on the right track.
 

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TURKEY :- General Electric beats Rolls-Royce to power Turkey’s indigenous fighter jet...

Turkey’s aerospace authorities have chosen General Electric’s F110 family of engines to power the prototype and an initial batch of what will become Turkey’s first indigenous fighter jet, the TF-X.

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A senior procurement official confirmed the choice, saying that the twin-engine TF-X will be powered by the F110-GE-129 or the F110-GE-132 engine.

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“This is a stopgap solution until we have built our indigenous engine for the TF-X,” the official said.

Under the deal, the first prototype of the TF-X and an unknown number of initial batches would be powered by the F110 engine.

Turkey then plans to switch to an engine to be developed by TRMotor, a national engine consortium.

But some aerospace sources say the F110 may not be the ideal engine for a fifth=generation fighter. “If the Turks go for the GE option, they will have to compromise on the stealth capabilities of the TF-X,” a Paris-based defense specialist said.

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First Turkish sea missile set for mass production
Turkey's first indigenous sea missile is ready for mass production, the Turkish Defense Industries Presidency (SSB) announced on Friday.

The Atmaca surface-to-surface guided missile is meant to bolster sea-based deterrence, the SSB said in a statement.

The agreement for mass production of the missile was signed between the SSB and missile producer Roketsan, it added.

Under the agreement, the equipment and spare parts for the missile’s fire control system will be produced by leading Turkish defense company Aselsan.

The Atmaca project was launched to meet the need for naval cruise missiles to be deployed in the Turkish Naval Forces MILGEM national warship program.

The MILGEM -- Turkey's first indigenous warship program -- was realized with over 65 percent domestic industry participation, with more than 50 domestic companies contributing to the project, according to the SSB.

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it's moderately interesting Turkey cleared by US for $3.5 billion Patriot missile deal, despite S-400 row
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Amidst an ongoing row concerning Turkey’s decision to
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, the U.S. State Department has cleared Ankara to purchase a
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, with an estimated price tag of $3.5 billion.

The announcement, posted late Tuesday evening on the website of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency, would cover the procurement of 80 Patriot MIM-104E Guidance Enhanced and 60 PAC-3 Missile Segment Enhancement missiles, as well as associated equipment.

Turkey has twice passed over the Patriot — in 2013 when it chose a Chinese system that it later dropped out of, and in 2017 when it said it finalized the S-400 deal.

In both cases, Turkey insisted on a transfer of missile technology regarding the Patriot before it would consider the system, something the U.S. declined to do. The DSCA solicit said industrial offsets of some kind are required with the deal, but “at this time offset agreements are undetermined and will be defined in negotiations between the purchaser and contractors;" whether that offset will include tech transfer remains to be seen.

The S-400 is a major sticking point in the military relationship between the U.S. and Turkey. Pentagon officials and NATO leadership have been vocal that Turkey cannot be allowed to plug the S-400 into allied systems, such as integrating it with the F-35. Turkey is a member of NATO.

The two systems are different in capabilities. The S-400 is a mobile system, designed for deployment behind the lines to protect critical infrastructure, with a very long range. The Patriot, meanwhile, is a medium-range system.

A department spokesperson, speaking on background ahead of the announcement, said Turkey “will use Patriot to improve its air and missile defense capability, defend its territorial integrity, and deter regional threats. The proposed sale will increase the defensive capabilities of the Turkish military to guard against hostile aggression and shield NATO allies who might train and operate within Turkey’s borders.”

In addition to the missiles, the package includes four AN/MPQ-65 Radar Sets, four Engagement Control Stations, 10 Antenna Mast Groups, 20 M903 Launching Stations, and five Electrical Power Plant III systems.

As with all DSCA announcements, dollar values and quantities may vary at the end of the day; the Senate must OK a sale before the customer and the U.S. government enter contract negotiations.
 
Yesterday at 7:14 AM
it's moderately interesting Turkey cleared by US for $3.5 billion Patriot missile deal, despite S-400 row
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more interesting is

"Two of the people familiar with the discussions said Turkey had floated the idea of offering U.S. technical experts the chance to study any S-400s that it purchased from Russia."

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U.S. Backs Patriot Missile Sale to Turkey in Breakthrough
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Turkish Delight?
part of
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The surprise withdrawal also comes at a fraught time in US-Turkish relations, with Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan threatening to attack the SDF — which Turkey considers allied with Kurdish militants inside Turkey — despite the presence of US forces in the area. Trump spoke with Erdogan by phone on Friday, leading to some speculation that the Turkish leader, who’s been edging away from the US and
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, pushed Trump to withdraw. But the administration official insisted Wednesday that “the president made his own decision. It was not something he discussed with President Erdogan. He has informed President Erdogan of his decision.”

Eyebrows were already raised Tuesday evening, however, when the State Department announced the US is prepared to sell over 100 Patriot air defense missiles and radar systems to Turkey for $3.5 billion.

If approved by Congress, the sale would provide Ankara with a NATO-interoperable system for defending Turkish airspace, while perhaps scuttling the planned Turkish purchase of the Russian S-400 air defense system, which NATO and Washington
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Turkey’s potential purchase of the Russian system led to a revolt in Congress this past summer, when lawmakers
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in blocking the sale of F-35 fighters to Turkey. So far there has been no indication that members of Congress would voice any such objections over the Patriot sale, as it could potentially be a way out for Turkey and NATO.

Sen. Chris Van Hollen, who was a key player in Congressional opposition to the F-35 transfers, told me in a statement he would support Turkey’s purchase of the Patriot missile system, “but only if Turkey cancels its purchase of the Russian S-400 missile defense system.” Members of NATO have said that the presence of the S-400 in Turkey would endanger all alliance aircraft, as the sophisticated Russian-made radar — and, in all likelihood, Russian trainers and service representatives on the ground in Turkey — would feed sensitive operational information back to Moscow.

Sen. Van Hollen added that, as a member of NATO, “Turkey must not undermine the security of the United States and our allies. Operating the S-400 alongside the F-35 and Patriot batteries would do exactly that. The Administration must continue to negotiate exhaustively to keep this from happening. And if necessary, the Senate must prohibit these sales and apply the
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sanctions against the Turkish government.”

Turkey has twice passed over the Patriot: In 2013 when it chose a Chinese system it eventually decided not to buy, and in 2017 when it finalized the S-400 deal. American officials never stopped pushing to close the Patriot deal, however, with State and Defense Department officials
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that they continued to try and hammer out the details.

Turkish officials have not indicated they would pull out of the S-400 deal if they close on the Patriot, but President Trump has put the sale of American military equipment around the world as a top priority, making the sale a win for his agenda either way.

One of the issues with sealing an agreement was Turkey’s insistence that it receive a transfer of missile technology along with the missiles themselves, a request Washington denied. Tuesday’s announcement confirmed that there will be some technology offsets, but “at this time offset agreements are undetermined and will be defined in negotiations between the
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Turkey has requested the possible sale of four (4) AN/MPQ-65 Radar Sets, four (4) Engagement Control Stations, ten (10) Antenna Mast Groups (AMGs), twenty (20) M903 Launching Stations, eighty (80) Patriot MIM-104E Guidance Enhanced Missiles (GEM-T) missiles with canisters, sixty (60) PAC-3 Missile Segment Enhancement (MSE) missiles, and five (5) Electrical Power Plant (EPP) III. Also included with this request are communications equipment, tools and test equipment, range and test programs, support equipment, prime movers, generators, publications and technical documentation, training equipment, spare and repair parts, personnel training, Technical Assistance Field Team (TAFT), U.S. Government and contractor technical, engineering, and logistics support services, Systems Integration and Checkout (SICO), field office support, and other related elements of logistics and program support. The total estimated program cost is $3.5 billion.

My comment: US army paid close to 6 million dollars per MSE missile. GEM-T missiles are likely a few times cheaper. That's still well under a billion for missiles alone, leaving over 2.5 billion for the four batteries and the support. I do hope for Turkey's sake that includes ALL support throughout the lifespan of those SAM batteries. But somehow I doubt it...
 
Dec 19, 2018
it's moderately interesting Turkey cleared by US for $3.5 billion Patriot missile deal, despite S-400 row
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now Pence: ‘We will not stand idly by’ as Turkey purchases S-400
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Vice President Mike Pence repeated warnings to Turkey not to proceed with the purchase of
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missile defense system, a day after Turkey dismissed the first of two deadlines to cease with the planned sale.

Pence, speaking at the Munich Security Conference, told attendees “we will not stand idly by while NATO allies purchase weapons from our adversaries. We cannot ensure the defense of the West if our allies grow dependent on the East."

The U.S. had set a Feb. 15 deadline for Turkey to respond and signal their intentions to cease with the sale, a U.S. official told Military Times. If Turkey refuses, a forthcoming sale of a Patriot missile defense system from the U.S. will be halted.

“We have been clear with Turkey,” the U.S. official said. “The will not receive the Patriot if they purchase the S-400."

The Patriot sale, estimated at
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would cover the procurement of 80 Patriot MIM-104E Guidance Enhanced and 60 PAC-3 Missile Segment Enhancement missiles, as well as associated equipment.

The S-400 sale would also impact Turkey’s role in the international development of the fifth generation Joint Strike Fighter.

Earlier this year, the Pentagon reported to Congress on the impact to the F-35 program if it ditches Turkey as a partner. Turkey sources some of the parts for the program and that action could result in delays to the program if Turkey is no longer a contributor.

Congress still has to decide what action to take.

Pence did mention another product from the East it considers a threat, China’s communication network.

“The United States has also been very clear with our security partners on the threats posed by Huawei and other Chinese telecom companies that requires them to provide Beijing’s vast security apparatus with access to any data that touches their network or equipment,” Pence said. "We must protect our critical telecom infrastructure.”
 

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Uh... The South Koreans also have developed a SAM system based on the S-400.
Although they basically only use the rocket and launcher technology. I think they use their own electronics.
 
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