No fighting here lmao. Just two heads of state having a nice dinner together after signing multi-billion dollar deals with no hint of wrench-in-the-gears-throwing-bureaucracy-of-yesteryear.
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Well, hopefully this is the case
Why are you being aggressive? As a 3rd party to this conversation, I can safely say that he wasn't being offensive and that his questions are entirely legitimate.
Well our local news show this :
It's very natural to ask.. Who are going to finance those ? No effective contract means no financer. and with current budget cuts by govt there will be unlikely any contracts signed.. even in our Indodefence event where such thing are supposed to happen. We're not even publish Blue Book Yet. The best hope is to wait next year.
and just because Erdogan arrived here, doesnt mean Our current pres can suddenly touch bark and turn it to gold for paying those. This is where country of origin of the OEM financial institution comes into play. The other thing i haven't mention is the need for deal Insurance. This insurance is to ensure that the financial institution help with the deal will not suffer deep financial loss (e.g from inflation) Beside the insurance there also have to be Re-insurance.. where the insurance company itself will pick yet another company to protect themselves from financial loss. It's this company that will cushion the biggest risk.
Thus why they are cautious when providing financing, they do look each country's "credit rating" That's to mitigate the risk of the transactions.
I really wonder how do you guys think weapon procurement works for a country level ?
Western countries deal like French or maybe US are willing and do have such backing, even Russians but no one here willing to proceed due to CAATSA.
This leave a final option and extremely risky to us.. is to use our own Foreign Reserve.. It's when our Overseas bank are selected as Lender and insurer to the deal. This is risky because FOREX are limited and it's also used to control, say our currency. Given the need of Insurance and Re-Insurance. The amount needs to be prepared can be considerable, beyond the worth of the deal itself.
The thing is, what if we ended up using so much of it and failed to control our currency ? We already experienced De-Industrialization, means unemployement soars, slow market etc.
The CEO of TEI had an interview. Some statements:
- Can make the TF6000 flight ready immediately if needed.
- TF10000 is needed more though and work on it progresses faster than expected. There is great international interest and customers are ready before the engine is ready.
- "Kaan engine won't take 17 years like EJ-200, they'll lynch us otherwise (he really said that lmao). F135 took 13 years which we don't have. TS1400 took 6 years and 3 weeks for first flight. You'll see the engine flying on Kaan in '29-'30."
- “Eurojet’s engine took 17 years. If we made it in 17 years, they would lynch us. We don’t have that kind of money. We have three types of budgets. One; money, two; time, three; weight. Our engineers have to comply with all of these. If you give us infinite time, even the stupidest man can achieve anything. But we don’t have such a luxury. The F-35’s engine was also made in 13 years. Do we have a period like 13 years? We don’t have it. The signing ceremony of our TS-1400 helicopter engine project was held in February 2017, we flew the engine in 6 years and 3 weeks. You’ll see; “We will be flying it with a domestic engine.” (Hinting that it'll also take 6 years for first flight?)
- Final stage was reached in the preparations for mass production of the TS1400 engine.
- Can make the TF6000 flight ready immediately if needed.
- TF10000 is needed more though and work on it progresses faster than expected. There is great international interest and customers are ready before the engine is ready.
- "Kaan engine won't take 17 years like EJ-200, they'll lynch us otherwise (he really said that lmao). F135 took 13 years which we don't have. TS1400 took 6 years and 3 weeks for first flight. You'll see the engine flying on Kaan in '29-'30."
- “Eurojet’s engine took 17 years. If we made it in 17 years, they would lynch us. We don’t have that kind of money. We have three types of budgets. One; money, two; time, three; weight. Our engineers have to comply with all of these. If you give us infinite time, even the stupidest man can achieve anything. But we don’t have such a luxury. The F-35’s engine was also made in 13 years. Do we have a period like 13 years? We don’t have it. The signing ceremony of our TS-1400 helicopter engine project was held in February 2017, we flew the engine in 6 years and 3 weeks. You’ll see; “We will be flying it with a domestic engine.” (Hinting that it'll also take 6 years for first flight?)
- Final stage was reached in the preparations for mass production of the TS1400 engine.
Head of the Turkish Navy Design Project Office had an interview. The most important statements:
- Land-based test ramp construction has started for the MUGEM.
- Arresting system will be domestic.
- They are in talks with TAI to make sure that if a naval variant of Kaan is produced, it'll be able to operate from the MUGEM.
- Land-based test ramp construction has started for the MUGEM.
- Arresting system will be domestic.
- They are in talks with TAI to make sure that if a naval variant of Kaan is produced, it'll be able to operate from the MUGEM.
The 4th Kizilelma is produced:
I guess these are the EODAS-like system (IRIS-200?)
I guess these are the EODAS-like system (IRIS-200?)
Located on top of the nose so probably AA focused. Is there a side profile of the sensor? Wondering if there are windows on the side as well.