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CasualObserver said:

This has nothing to do with the current stage of the program though. My reasoning for his post being derailing is that there wasn't a prior discussion about it today but he came and wrote something totally unrelated and also provocative. I can see from his previous posts about other topics that he does neither much research nor writes informative things either.

In my book and many others', that's considered at least derailing/non-topic and maybe trolling. But his intention is obvious for everyone to see. The same kind of posts on other threads get deleted all the time yet not on this thread. I think the same kind of rules and moderation should be applied here also.

Isn't that a fair suggestion?

And all I'm asking him is to read a bit before coming toa conclusion. It's obvious he doesn't follow this topic.

You've deleted my and @sequ 's posts for much less.

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Deino said:

With all due respect NO! posting repeatedyl KAAn stuff - which hasn't even flown yet but is constantly portrayed as a peer fifth generation fighter equal to the J-20, J-35 and others as if it is already operational - is off topic, while quoting Kaan-related stuff and questioning it since nothing is proved before it enters service it not off-topic.

I agree that his claim "as real as vapor" is indeed provocative but in contrast to what @sequ rates a contradiction, I see it as a different opinion unless proven and again, it is no disrespect to question all claims around Kaan since it is indeed so much ambitious, that rating it maybe "overambitious" is not too far-fetched.

As such, let us wait if it will fly, how it will fly, how the performances in the end will be especially without a proper engine until - and if ever - an indigenous one will be ready. Then we can take such claims for granted. Until then however I can fully understand that others have their concerns...

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CasualObserver said:

Here's an interesting speculation:

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sequ said:

Could be for the Anka-4??

Anyway, I hope they find various platforms to use the indigenous Kaan engine.

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CasualObserver said:

Maybe more like for a Turkish Global Hawk or UAVSOJ (if there's a non-afterburner version)?

I don't think they'd go for an Okhotnik size UAV; I think that if they really needed something that needs to be powered with an F110, they'd want to put a man in it. What are your own thoughts? @BoraTas

Still, these are just speculations at this point...

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BoraTas said:

Even a non-afterburning F-110 would be too much for an even Okhotnik size UAV, if kinematic performance is not desired. I think they are after a loyal wingman type drone which is understandable as TurAF TACAIR is under pressure.

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CasualObserver said:

We're talking about a 2030+ tactical situation though; I reckon by then the pressure would be lifted. I don't know how the conops would look like by that point into the future but I think TurAF would want something that expensive to have a a pilot in it.

But I'm leaning towards a possible UAV-based ISR aircraft.

On the other hand you're right though, it'd make wonders with a larger Kizilelma type per se, this is a higher class engine than what an Okhotnik-type aircraft actually needs.

And I also forgot that there's an engine called F118, which is the non-afterburnig derivative of F110 for the B2.

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BoraTas said:

An interesting thing is that the said F118 also powers the U-2, an ISR aircraft that is under 20 tons. But the catch here is, the U-2 flies at a 24 km altitude. There is very little point in going above 13 km as air stops getting colder (important for engine efficiency) at 10 km and the horizon is already 400 km away by 13 km. You need more and more airframe compromises as you go higher while needing ever larger sensors to exploit that horizon. I think a dedicated ultra-high-altitude ISR aircraft would be an extravagance for Turkey. It is just a lot money for little to no benefits. So is an expensive 30-ton flying wing UAV. I don't think the military and the govt would want something that expensive that doesn't have air-to-air capability.

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