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sequ

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I don't see how this is feasible for Turkey. It takes over a decade to develop a powerplant that capable, and that's for countries that have an established industry.

For Turkey? Hard to see how they can create an engine like that before 2040. Of course, I don't follow Turkey's defense industry like you do. Am I missing something?
Well, the CEO of TAI has repeatedly stated that they are working at Cold War tempo.

And TEI, which has casted 3rd gen SCTB and uses 2nd gen ones in the TS1400. They also got TBC too.

And they developed the TS1400 in just 6 years and 2 weeks from start to first manned flight: Turkey Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
 
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Gloire_bb

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But, do they need it?
Customer wants it - obey ;p
Nobody does. But it will make for a pretty mediocre fighter jet by todays standards, assuming the weight grows any more. It wasn't spectacular at 27 tons to begin with. It isn't rocket science, almost any pilot or aircraft engineer would know that. IMO, either they managed to keep it close to or below 27 tons MTOM, or they are willing to make fairly big sacrifices to performance.
Is it that crucial?
Somewhat underpowered 2030s LO fighter aircraft is still a 2030s LO fighter aircraft. It won't be the first somewhat underpowered aircraft in history.
Sure, not great, but not terrible either.

Lack of 6th gen engine electric power supply is potentially much more damning for a 2030s aircraft.
But no old 4th gen airframe, i.e. full modern TUAF, will match it in any case - because 1970s airframes haven't even considered it as a problem full 50 years before TFX.
 

HighGround

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Lack of 6th gen engine electric power supply is potentially much more damning for a 2030s aircraft.
But no old 4th gen airframe, i.e. full modern TUAF, will match it in any case - because 1970s airframes haven't even considered it as a problem full 50 years before TFX.

Seems like the gap between the cutting edge air force, and your run of the mill "advanced" air force is only increasing.
 

B777LR

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The first time you used 'MTOM' I thought you meant MTOW. Now I'm not sure what you mean by it.

Mass is the correct term to use for aircraft, not weight. Mass is constant, weight depends on gravitational force.

That is relative. It won't be a 5th gen fighter until it has the indigenous or equivalent turbofan engine producing 35k lbf wet thrust and provides enough dry thrust to make it supercruise. Until then, it is regarded as a 4.5 gen fighter.

The whole generation thing is a useless marketing term, don't get yourself hung up in them. The F-35 is supposedly 5th generation but is barely supersonic even with afterburner.
The list of reasons why you want more power to weight is long. For example, more power means lifting more weapons and fuel, from higher runways, in warmer weather, to greater altitudes. It means more room to grow with future upgrades. It means you can do all of that with more reliability in case of a single engine failure. Then of course all the obvious air combat stuff.

Is it that crucial?
Somewhat underpowered 2030s LO fighter aircraft is still a 2030s LO fighter aircraft. It won't be the first somewhat underpowered aircraft in history.
Sure, not great, but not terrible either.

I suppose not, and other aircraft have tried and failed to gain traction for similar reasons. But IMO it would seem kind of pointless to knowingly design an aircraft to be worse than necessary, which is why I also don't think it is as heavy as some suggest. This is a solidly medium-weight fighter. The engine selection backs that up.
 

Gloire_bb

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But IMO it would seem kind of pointless to knowingly design an aircraft to be worse than necessary, which is why I also don't think it is as heavy as some suggest. This is a solidly medium-weight fighter. The engine selection backs that up.
Heavy.

This is a F-15 powerplant, not an F-18/KFX one. 2 large and hungry engines. Also one forming service pair with Turkish F-16 engine fleet.
Yes, Turkiye doesn't have a proper 5th generation engine. So does China(WS-10C) and Russia(117). All 3 still fly just fine.
Worse than desirable, but still it works.

And if the Turkish engine program fails (let's be frank, I am no optimist here), when this plane will reach maturity - Turkiye will still be able to outsource(license) a viable export solution.
 

Soldier30

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Turkish armored vehicle manufacturer Otokar showed off its new ALPAR unmanned armored vehicle. The prototype was demonstrated with the Otokar MIZRAK-30 combat module with a 30 mm cannon and the Roketsan OMTAS ATGM. The machine has a low thermal signature and can operate autonomously or be controlled remotely from a distance of up to 5 km. Otokar expects that the ALPAR robot will reduce the number of personnel performing tasks on the battlefield and reduce the risk to which they are exposed. The mass of the ALPAR robotic platform is 12 tons, the power plant is hybrid, diesel-electric with the possibility of full electric propulsion. The machine is controlled remotely by 2 people and it has a speed of up to 70 km/h, with a range of up to 500 km.

 

sequ

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Baykar took his place in Pakistan National Aerospace Science and Technology Park (NASTP), which was opened by Pakistani Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif.

The cooperation agreement between Baykar and NASTP was signed by Baykar Chairman of the Board Selçuk Bayraktar and NASTP Commander Lieutenant General Ghulam Abbas Ghumman.

Selçuk Bayraktar posed for a souvenir photo with Pakistani Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif in front of Bayraktar AKINCI

Founded by Baykar, "Baykar Teknoloji" will contribute to Pakistan's aerospace ecosystem. Baykar Technology, which will carry out R&D activities within NASTP, will work to increase the mutual innovation and high technology development capabilities of the parties.

 
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