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From the interview with Kotil:

- The National Combat Aircraft will fly in 2023.
- We planned the flight in 2025, but we pulled it forward.
- Congratulations to my team.
- I didn't know that the last 1 year would be so successful.
- 5th generation aircraft, radars can't see (it).
- We completed the plane in 5 years, 3 thousand people worked (on it).
- The National Combat Aircraft has 2 F-16 engines.
- He can hit the targets without going near it.
- The National Combat Aircraft, (there) will be a documentary. Videos are being shot, you will cry if you see it.

 

BoraTas

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How about the main news? MMU is going to have its maiden flight within this year!
I am not 100% positive. Even the PDR hasn't finished yet. They are definitely rushing some processes and skipping some verification steps to have the first flight earlier. I can understand the rush since the Turkish Air Force is facing obsolescence, though. The journey from the first flight to FOC will be interesting to watch.
 

CasualObserver

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I am not 100% positive. Even the PDR hasn't finished yet. They are definitely rushing some processes and skipping some verification steps to have the first flight earlier. I can understand the rush since the Turkish Air Force is facing obsolescence, though. The journey from the first flight to FOC will be interesting to watch.
Well this gives them even more time to test it properly before the entry into the service so they don't have to rush it order to deliver it.

Even though we can't really compare the development processes of both aircraft, It took the J-20 roughly the same amount of time before the initial deliveries began.



I think as the prototype emerged by December, they realized that they can accelerate the program a whole year just by flying the ground test article. So I have no worries and I'm sure they can handle any problems that may arise by then.

I agree on the journey to the FOC though. It certainly is going to be interesting to watch.
 

sequ

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I am not 100% positive. Even the PDR hasn't finished yet. They are definitely rushing some processes and skipping some verification steps to have the first flight earlier. I can understand the rush since the Turkish Air Force is facing obsolescence, though. The journey from the first flight to FOC will be interesting to watch.
I don't speak Turkish but didn't Kotil say that the TF-X will fly in 2023? It was known since august 2021:

Professor Temel Kotil, President and CEO of Turkish Aerospace, announced that the Turkish Fighter Jet (TF-X) Program will not have a Critical Design Review schedule. They don't use the traditional procedure, according to Kotil.

Kotil met with journalists and publishers before IDEF. Answering TurDef’s question about the TF-X timeline and expectations about CDR, Kotil said, “Our aircraft will fly in 2023, but it is not the first (TF-X program) aircraft to fly. We’re going to build two more planes. It will be our first bloc in 2023. Its geometry is being studied; it is constantly changing; it will always change.
On the one hand, PDR continues; on the other hand, we are making aeroplanes. In this period, aircraft manufacturer companies make their planes slowly. We know that the same companies built planes very fast during the Cold War, which we are doing right now. We do not follow the classical methodology. We are starting to build the plane right now. We take care that the geometry and force paths are correct because they are irreversible. Hydraulic, pneumatic systems, fuel systems have to be correct because there is no return. The Tübitak BİLGEM has been working on the APU for two years.”

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This went over my head as well as I thought the reference to flying in 2023 was a mistake.
 
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