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[Jiang ZeminFanboy]

How is it possible for all EU countries to impose 100% tariff on China altogether. EU has so many countries combined together. Some countries are more friendly and others aren't.

I doubt countries like Germany, Turkey, Portugal will follow.

The EU is responsible for negotiations not national governments, however there needs to be consensus, strongest have to agree on it. Turkey is not in EU.

Trade outside the EU is an exclusive responsibility of the EU, rather than the national governments of member countries. This means the EU institutions make laws on trade matters, and negotiate and conclude international trade agreements.

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[AssassinsMace]

Biden already got allies together to gang up against China and it failed. Let’s not ignore the possibility that Trump wants Europe to tariff China so the US doesn’t face retaliation. Oh yeah he said he would tariff China if Europe did it first but since when does anyone trust Trump? He already TACOed before. Pretty stupid to think China won’t retaliate in kind because what is different? Nothing.

 

[siegecrossbow]

How is it possible for all EU countries to impose 100% tariff on China altogether. EU has so many countries combined together. Some countries are more friendly and others aren't.

I doubt countries like Germany, Turkey, Portugal will follow.

Turkey is not in EU I thought?

Navarro was just on screen talking about how BRICS wouldn't work because they're all producers but now America and the EU combined are just consumers in a world financed by intrinisically worthless bills and artificial money. I'd be much happier to be on a team with excess energy and goods production than one with just printed paper money useful for nothing but fire-starting when the heat runs cold and the items don't arrive. The end of the current world trade model will be an adjustment for the producers but it will be the death of Western power in the modern world.

 

[Matcher6130]

Navarro was just on screen talking about how BRICS wouldn't work because they're all producers but now America and the EU combined are just consumers in a world financed by intrinisically worthless bills and artificial money. I'd be much happier to be on a team with excess energy and goods production than one with just printed paper money useful for nothing but fire-starting when the heat runs cold and the items don't arrive. The end of the current world trade model will be an adjustment for the producers but it will be the death of Western power in the modern world.

Peter Navarro of all people saying this is proof he's only on the Trump admin to be a clown.

Narravo has been a lifelong champion of "supply-side economics", the belief that economic growth can be fueled by producing more and more goods and services. Therefore maximizing production of goods and services will inevitably leads to economic growth.

So by his own logic, he is right and producer-centric nations will fail because supply-side economics is wrong. Or he is wrong and prodcucer-centric nations will dominate because supply-side economics is correct and their economies will rise.

Which is it Peter? Can't have it both ways!

 

[2handedswordsman]

Europe tried to impose their beliefs on the rest of the world more than anyone else. That’s the difference. Again, was it about control out of insecurity or did they do it for fun? I’m giving the lesser of two evils. If you like the worst one…

I'm not trying to whitewash what western imperialism did, for "god's" shake. i'm trying to say that western history isn't as flat as you may think. My homeplace in modern greece was being constantly looted for ages, especially after the fall of Byzantines. Fun fact that everyone speaks about Ottoman occupation, but no one mentions the Frankish and Venetian occupation, maybe because they were "Christian bros", They were the good looters. lol But i'm not siding with any royalty anyway, i stand with average "servi" feudal era enslaved peasant who was paying the price of the repeated looting and devastation.

No they didn't. Race is about a belief in having a certain genetic descent. The Chinese understanding of identity was based solely on values and norms, not genealogical descent, and 'civilized' status was not guaranteed to any group of people. For instance, Chinese people who failed to adhere to proper ethics were always considered barbarians. (cf. Shaoyun Yang, The Way of the Barbarians, 2019) The only exception was during times of invasion from non-Han peoples who claimed to be a legitimate part of the Chinese people, such as the Jurchens, the defending side would counter that ancestry was necessary to become civilized. Korean identity was also based on the same parameters, and Koreans self-consciously understood that they did not have genealogical claims to greatness, only cultural, but even then after a few generations they would acknowledge their own cultural inferiority again. Edo period Japan also used the same logic where they claimed that preserving Zhou dynasty values is what made them special, in spite of openly having no genetic connection to them. Even militarist Japan in WW2 was different from the European case as they encouraged Japanese women to intermarry with the imperial subjects to spread Japanese culture, an unthinkable prospect in the West where other races were fit only to be used as mistresses.

Come on we know that genealogical, divine and so on ruling is a crude excuse for certain people to maintain their boot on the neck of other people. I can tell you the the story of the biggest city of Greek antiquity which was not Sparta nor Athens. It was Nicopolis a 100.000 Roman city built from scratch to commemorate the victory of one Roman emperor over another who claimed the throne. Romans gathered and enforced people from a whole region to built it and then they granted them a full Roman citizenship just for fun, no bloodlines at all, except from the workers of course Ancients were bloody funny in many ways. Inter-Royal marriages was the most common tradition in European diplomacy — apart from wars, of course. As far as written language is concerned, that also constitutes a form of diplomacy. Soft power, in a sense. In the case of the interaction between, for example, the Byzantine Empire and the Bulgarian and Russian empires, there were also intermarriages, family alliances, etc., but the Cyrillic alphabet also emerged — the written form of the Slavic languages, created by Byzantine monks. As for Japanese claims about Zhou dynasty it's like Roman Empire and Byzantium. There was not of course a direct blood continuation. It's about the "legal and political entity claims" of the times. Which family got their hands on the treasuries. Roman empire ceased to exist in 1453. Anyone called them Romans, they considered themselves Roman even if they spoke Greek and where christians. LoL. This apply of course to certain families, not the "servi". Me as a proud proletarian, i consider my self bloodline connected with those people-serviis- . After the fall of the Romans, The Ottomans imposed area denial to the East and Europe turned the darker page of it's history when turned overseas.

Even militarist Japan in WW2 was different from the European case as they encouraged Japanese women to intermarry with the imperial subjects to spread Japanese culture, an unthinkable prospect in the West where other races were fit only to be used as mistresses.

At this point i think you are gravely wronging the Korean and Chinese people by claiming this — especially the women.

Sorry for the offtopic, thanks for the conversation!

 

[Maikeru]

It is what Zhou En-lai said at a party with foreign guest, it was a diplomatic party I remember the story.

When discussing history, someone ask Zhou En-lai was the French Revolution good? The implication of course it had to be good.

Zhou En-lai replied very simply and pleasantly, "Too early to tell."

Either the Chinese are flippant, or have confidence in their view of things.

So, what drives Western civilization? It is conceit, that they think they are better than anyone? Or is it just instincts of survival, that they do not really feel that secure?

No white person would ever have a reply like Zhou did.

History is linear to them.

Zhou En-lai thought they were talking about the 1968 Paris riots rather than the 1789 French Revolution.

 

[bebops]

The EU is responsible for negotiations not national governments, however there needs to be consensus, strongest have to agree on it. Turkey is not in EU.

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EU has to get their cheap stuff from somewhere if not China. I guess China has to do more transhipment. Europe gets oil from transhipment through a third party like India and China. It is working around the rules, nothing else.

 

[CMP]

Zhou En-lai thought they were talking about the 1968 Paris riots rather than the 1789 French Revolution.

Not that it matters because his response was correct in both cases, given the current decline of France.

 

[Moonscape]

God I'd love to see both the EU and the US shoot themselves in the foot with 100% tarriffs (along with a complementary rare earth embargo) again. Please please please do it.

 

[Michael90]

If China is willing to sanction it's erstwhile ally North Korea for possessing nuclear weapons, China is going to do at least that much to SK and JP.

Remember: the suspicion of illegal possession of weapons of mass destruction can be sufficient grounds for international sanctions and military invasion.

At the very least, I'd like to install early warning radars on Liu Qiu, with an air base to enact a No Fly Zone over a certain country if they resist nuclear inspectors.

If that was really the case, then they would have done that with N.Korea already no? The fact that china couldnt even prevent N.Korea From going nuclear despite Chinas opposition shows you the limit and unfeasibility of what you are talking about, since china has far more economic and political influence over North Korea than china can ever have in S.Korea and japan. Only someone very naive will believe that China will launch military attacks against S.Korea and Japan if they were going nuclear. Lol. I can't believe some people on thia forum even believe such a thing. Seems like they don't realise CCP political thinking. China is not the worlds policeman and CCP is sternly against acting like one, so people need to understand this. China doesnt have policies and geo poltiical thinking of the US, Israel, or even Russia. So we should stop projecting our wishful thinking over China . There is no way China will launch military attacks against S.korea and Japan UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHORT OF S.KOREA AND JAPAN ATTACKING CHINA FIRST(which we all know its impossible). So the only thing maintaining stability and nuclear proliferation in east Asia is the US, and ironically i think CCP is happy with that. Since China is not ready to play military policeman like the US, else China would have prevented N.Korea from going nuclear.