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vincent

Grumpy Old Man
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If that was really the case, then they would have done that with N.Korea already no? The fact that china couldnt even prevent N.Korea From going nuclear despite Chinas opposition shows you the limit and unfeasibility of what you are talking about, since china has far more economic and political influence over North Korea than china can ever have in S.Korea and japan. Only someone very naive will believe that China will launch military attacks against S.Korea and Japan if they were going nuclear. Lol. I can't believe some people on thia forum even believe such a thing. Seems like they don't realise CCP political thinking. China is not the worlds policeman and CCP is sternly against acting like one, so people need to understand this. China doesnt have policies and geo poltiical thinking of the US, Israel, or even Russia. So we should stop projecting our wishful thinking over China . There is no way China will launch military attacks against S.korea and Japan UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHORT OF S.KOREA AND JAPAN ATTACKING CHINA FIRST(which we all know its impossible). So the only thing maintaining stability and nuclear proliferation in east Asia is the US, and ironically i think CCP is happy with that. Since China is not ready to play military policeman like the US, else China would have prevented N.Korea from going nuclear.

You forgot a key difference between North Korea and South Korea/Japan. North Korea is not a hostile power to China.
 

Michael90

Junior Member
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You forgot a key difference between North Korea and South Korea/Japan. North Korea is not a hostile power to China.
It has nothing to do with that. It’s just that China was powerless to do anything to stop North Korea from acquiring nuclear weapons. Plus China doesn’t control n.korea the way the US has control over S.Korea and Japan. And make no mistake N.Korea itself is wary of China herself and China knows this, reason China was against North Korea developing nukes, since threat is also a threat to China. No major power wants its close neighbors to develop nukes.

In this regard I will say the US has been far more successful in maintaining a balance and control over her ally in Asia than China. If not for the USA JAPAN AND s
Korea would have long acquired nukes. It’s the USA CONTROL and guarantees that has so far stopped them from developing nukes. China by contrast has failed to guarantee N. Korea doesn’t. I can assure you that if the Susa was the one who had influence and control over N.Korea then they would have stopped N.Korea from developing nuclear weapons by all means necessary, just like they did with Taiwan when they found out Taiwan was trying to develop nukes in secret.

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I will say China needs to learn from the US how to exert control over those close to her geopolitically . Ironically it’s actually a good thing for China that the USS is present in the region, else things will be far more volatile and unpredictable. The US has assured some form of stability and control which has also enabled China to grow in a peaceful neighborhood with less military tension and stopped an arms/nuclear weapons race and proliferation. So US presence is not only a bane for China, but also a boon. So it has its advantages
 
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vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
It has nothing to do with that. It’s just that China was powerless to do anything to stop North Korea from acquiring nuclear weapons. Plus China doesn’t control n.korea the way the US has control over S.Korea and Japan. And make no mistake N.Korea itself is wary of China herself and China knows this, reason China was against North Korea developing nukes, since threat is also a threat to China. No major power wants its close neighbors to develop nukes.

Not arguing against that. I have written plenty of posts on this. However, China didn't use force to de-nuclearize North Korea because one, China wasn't strong enough at the time, secondly, North Korea is not a hostile power so it having nukes is not an existential threat, China isn't gonna spend blood and treasures to disarm North Korea

In this regard I will say the US has been far more successful in maintaining a balance and control over her ally in Asia than China. If not for the USA JAPAN AND s
Korea would have long acquired nukes. It’s the USA CONTROL and guarantees that has so far stopped them from developing nukes. China by contrast has failed to guarantee N. Korea doesn’t. I can assure you that if the Susa was the one who had influence and control over N.Korea then they would have stopped N.Korea from developing nuclear weapons by all means necessary, just like they did with Taiwan when they found out Taiwan was trying to develop nukes in secret.

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I will say China needs to learn from the US how to exert control over those close to her geopolitically . Ironically it’s actually a good thing for China that the USS is present in the region, else things will be far more volatile and unpredictable. The US has assured some form of stability and control which has also enabled China to grow in a peaceful neighborhood with less military tension and stopped an arms/nuclear weapons race and proliferation. So US presence is not only a bane for China, but also a boon. So it has its advantages
The events this year have demonstrated US doesn't have allies. It has vassals. China doesn't have any.
Maintaining the "stability" (how many wars and genocides had happened under Pax Americana?) has caused enormous treasures and hollow out American industries. All signs point to Pax Americana has reached the imperial overreach stage.
Chinese leadership isn't gonna repeat US' mistakes.
 

Tse

Junior Member
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Come on we know that genealogical, divine and so on ruling is a crude excuse for certain people to maintain their boot on the neck of other people.
We are not talking about royal bloodlines. We are talking about racial supremacy. Racial has only one meaning, which is common descent, and can never refer to cultural concepts of identity. This plainly means that the concept of racial supremacy has never existed in East Asia, so my point stands.
Soft power, in a sense
So it was never enforced, so my point stands. Thank you for agreeing.
As for Japanese claims about Zhou dynasty it's like Roman Empire and Byzantium. There was not of course a direct blood continuation.
Anyone called them Romans, they considered themselves Roman even if they spoke Greek and where christians.
We are not comparing Asian identities with ancient Roman concepts of identity, who obviously had not invented concepts of racial supremacy, as they were still holding culturalist concepts of Romanitas. We are talking about the modern Western-White identity, which definitely has been a racial identity since the 16th century at the latest, because it excludes different-looking people even if they don't have a single distinctive cultural trait. Cf. any of the secondary literature on the historical development of racial discourse
At this point i think you are gravely wronging the Korean and Chinese people by claiming this — especially the women
I don't know why do you think that is wrongful. Perhaps you think that such a policy somehow contradicts with sexual slavery. It does not remotely. The comfort women system does not imply anything whatsoever about the Japanese belief in their ability to integrate the conquered peoples into the Japanese people, because the Japanese applications of cruelty and kindness do not map well onto European concepts of race. Refer to this paper
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this issue of encouraging Japanese women to marry colonial subjects was very widely discussed in Japanese society during the war, as seen in this novel earning literary prizes from the Imperial government:
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manqiangrexue

Brigadier
China's like, "Don't bully us little ants. It hurts our little ant feelings. We're having a protest against hurt feelings parade on 9/3; you should check it out. It could help you if you have constipation."
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gadgetcool5

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The U.S. is convincing Mexico to put tariffs on China. I don't know why this isn't seen as a provocative action by the U.S. This is basically the same effect as if the U.S. unilaterally raised tariffs on China itself. It should be considered a violation of the "trade deal" between the two sides.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
The U.S. is convincing Mexico to put tariffs on China. I don't know why this isn't seen as a provocative action by the U.S. This is basically the same effect as if the U.S. unilaterally raised tariffs on China itself. It should be considered a violation of the "trade deal" between the two sides.
We are at that phase of American desperation where there's no rules, deals or contracts or anything that needs to be honored. I'm sure China's talking to Mexico about it and Mexico are talking about it. But if Mexico and the EU are stupid, they'll have to find out the hard way that it's much worse to have paper money and no stuff you can buy with it than no (American) money but stuff that can actually be used to improve people's lives.
 

iewgnem

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The U.S. is convincing Mexico to put tariffs on China. I don't know why this isn't seen as a provocative action by the U.S. This is basically the same effect as if the U.S. unilaterally raised tariffs on China itself. It should be considered a violation of the "trade deal" between the two sides.
Countries that fear the stick can be dealt with using a stick.
China has both carrot and stick, America only has stick, countries receiving Chinese carrots sometimes need a reminder that China's stick hurt just as much if not more.
Case in point, what Canada's feeling right now.
 
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