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Eventine

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iBBz said:
It is pretty clear now Trump was never going to uphold his campaign promises regarding ending wars. He just announced that with the Ukraine rare earths deal, Ukraine would continue to receive military equipment until Putin surrenders and comes to the table. He is also failing to get Israel to honour their ceasefires and stop bombing everything in sight. This is nothing more than a ploy for Trump to look good for his voters. He wants and knows Russia and China will not agree to such agreements, so he can go back to his low IQ population and tells them "See? I tried peace but they didn't go for it, so now I need you to give me more of your money so we can build better military toys to fight the Commies and help our pale friend Musk take us to Mars.".

Also I'm not sure what the mechanism to enforce such agreements would be other than the US dictating terms to China and Russia on how many ships, planes, and nukes they can build annually or have in their arsenals total. This would involve invasive methods such as sending spies like Scott Ritter to ping high value targets to use as currency later etc.. The other problem is the US has a coalition of puppets that could easily compensate for the US 50% cuts by increasing their own MIC budgets and paying even more money for their own occupations in what Pete Hegseth called "Division of labour".

If Trump was really a man of peace, he would stand infront of his people and announce; without a catch, that the US is cutting its military budget by 50%, because it already is unnecessarily too high and wasteful. The US doesn't need that many soldiers around the world so we are closing some bases and bringing some soldiers and equipment back home, period.
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Trump was never a man of peace, he's just more mask off about hegemony. The purpose of US hegemony is to benefit the US, but Democrats are willing to spend tons of money on liberal image building, which Trump is doing away with. Going forward, US foreign policy goals will look more like the naked power grabs they are, rather than be coated in liberal "we're all in this together" rhetoric, hence the reason Trump shut down a bunch of US propaganda departments.
 
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iBBz said:
It is pretty clear now Trump was never going to uphold his campaign promises regarding ending wars. He just announced that with the Ukraine rare earths deal, Ukraine would continue to receive military equipment until Putin surrenders and comes to the table. He is also failing to get Israel to honour their ceasefires and stop bombing everything in sight. This is nothing more than a ploy for Trump to look good for his voters. He wants and knows Russia and China will not agree to such agreements, so he can go back to his low IQ population and tells them "See? I tried peace but they didn't go for it, so now I need you to give me more of your money so we can build better military toys to fight the Commies and help our pale friend Musk take us to Mars.".

Also I'm not sure what the mechanism to enforce such agreements would be other than the US dictating terms to China and Russia on how many ships, planes, and nukes they can build annually or have in their arsenals total. This would involve invasive methods such as sending spies like Scott Ritter to ping high value targets to use as currency later etc.. The other problem is the US has a coalition of puppets that could easily compensate for the US 50% cuts by increasing their own MIC budgets and paying even more money for their own occupations in what Pete Hegseth called "Division of labour".

If Trump was really a man of peace, he would stand infront of his people and announce; without a catch, that the US is cutting its military budget by 50%, because it already is unnecessarily too high and wasteful. The US doesn't need that many soldiers around the world so we are closing some bases and bringing some soldiers and equipment back home, period.
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To be honest if he did that he just gets instantly killed :/

Ultimately, it's China that's in the control seat of how relations will develop in the future. Trump can make some course adjustments, but it's not like US has any cards that can disrupt Xi's planning.

Starving out US is working. They and their European boyfriends have never been poorer, hungrier and angrier. Who knows how long the siege need to keep going before they surrender though. But them getting rank incompetents like Trump is a sign of how desparate things have been.
 
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Franklin said:
Donald Trump will be the Mikhail Gorbachev of the United States.
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We are still in the early days of the Trump admin. We don't really know how far any of his executive orders are going to carry with the numerous legal challenges they face. On top of that, you have mid-terms in 2026 in which the Republicans could loose control of the House. Without control of the House, Trump will become a lame duck and likely wont be able to enact any major changes.
 
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mack8 said:
If the simmering war of words to date wasn't enough, holy cow Trump and Vance just brought Zelensky to the White House to trample all over him! Surreal to watch, and of course i'm laughing my backside off at the schadenfreude.:D

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1895534091040350364
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Why is this ex Russian clown speaking English???

Clinically insane behavior from a head of state.
 
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mack8 said:
If the simmering war of words to date wasn't enough, holy cow Trump and Vance just brought Zelensky to the White House to trample all over him! Surreal to watch, and of course i'm laughing my backside off at the schadenfreude.:D

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1895534091040350364
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Disagree entirely. If you think this is how you are supposed to hold a meeting between world leaders you're an idiot. Trump acts like high school bully when attempting to conduct diplomacy. Same way he acts when he has been talking to Canada lately.

I mean really, what exactly is Zelensky supposed to say in this situation? Ideally when another man speaks to you like that you reach over a smack them in the face, but this is a huge diplomatic meeting which to me seems to be set-up like an ambush to make Trump look tough.

Nations that have real power don't act like that in public or even behind closed doors because it goes without saying what their capabilities are.
 
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00CuriousObserver said:
Not sure if posted, but Rubio's comments on "reverse Nixon":

“I don’t know if we’ll ever be successful completely at peeling them off of a relationship with the Chinese,” Rubio said when asked if Trump’s efforts to end the war in Ukraine are similar to Nixon’s famous moment of heading to China to curb the Soviet Union. “I also don’t think having China and Russia at each other’s neck is good for global stability because they’re both nuclear powers, but I do think we’re in a situation now where the Russians have become increasingly dependent on the Chinese and that’s not a good outcome either if you think about it.”

“The big story of the 21st century is going to be U.S.-Chinese relations,” Rubio said. “If Russia becomes a permanent junior partner to China in the long term, now you’re talking about two nuclear powers aligned against the United States, and even ten years from now or five years from now, if this trend continues, we could find ourselves in a situation where whether Russia wants to improve its relations with the U.S. or not, they can’t because they’ve become completely dependent on the Chinese because we have cut them off. I don’t know if that’s a good outcome for us. What’s a better outcome for us is to have a relationship. We’re going to have competition and maybe even direct confrontation — not militarily I hope, but otherwise — with the Chinese because they’re doing all kinds of cheating and stealing when it comes to trade and economics. We’re going to have disagreements with the Russians, but we have to have a relationship with both. These are big, powerful countries with nuclear stockpiles. They can project power globally. I think we have lost the concept of maturity and sanity in diplomatic relations. Part of diplomatic relations is the ability to communicate with and manage through problems with other great powers around the world to avoid war and to avoid conflict. But I think having a situation where the Russians are permanently a junior partner to China, having to do whatever China says to do because they are dependent on them, I don’t think that’s a good outcome for Russia and it’s not a good outcome for America or for Europe or the world.”


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Someone as lazy as Rubio. Yes members of his party have said that he does not come to office for days on end. Such a guy can't achieve anything.
 
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mack8

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SlothmanAllen said:
Disagree entirely. If you think this is how you are supposed to hold a meeting between world leaders you're an idiot. Trump acts like high school bully when attempting to conduct diplomacy. Same way he acts when he has been talking to Canada lately.

I mean really, what exactly is Zelensky supposed to say in this situation? Ideally when another man speaks to you like that you reach over a smack them in the face, but this is a huge diplomatic meeting which to me seems to be set-up like an ambush to make Trump look tough.

Nations that have real power don't act like that in public or even behind closed doors because it goes without saying what their capabilities are.
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Hey pal, you might disagree all you want and simp for Zelensky as much as you please, but drop the personal insults.:mad:
 
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AssassinsMace said:
Let me guess how Trump wants 50% military spending reduction from the US, Russia, and China. There's already stories out how Trump is "planning" to reduce spending for the US which he's actually not. They say he's just moving money around not reducing spending at all. But for China he'll go by the US estimate of what China is really spending which has been in the news and thinks how he can do this to China. They say China is actually spending double what is the official number. So 50% is for China is what the US says China is spending which means China will have no money for the military every year while Trump will manipulate and lie how the US is reducing military spending. It's good that China already outright rejected the proposal.
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He does not want spending reduction. He just endorsed a house plan that increased spending by pressuring and shouting at budget deficit hawks.
 
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