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iewgnem

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A demand like that would only be met after the U. S. Have fought to the last American, given how much the Israeli lobby controls the U. S., just as Ukraine is fighting to the last Ukrainian before they will bow down and do what is in the interest of Ukraine.
Of course Americans won't do it, but then again China isn't interested in peace with America either.
 

reservior dogs

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There are some demands which are politically difficult to meet, like EV in the U. S. Others, like Nvidia chip sale. TSMC allowed to fab Huawei chips, EUV, could be done under the hood without explicitly announcing to the world. The latter category also includes geopolitical power yielding. It is more likely that a deal can be struck containing more of the latter category of demands.
 
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han1289

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TSMC fabbing Huawei chips is a short term benefit (<5 years), same with nvidia cards. China should further push for SMIC and home grown chip design instead.

This will be a once in a lifetime opportunity to extract a pound of flesh from America. China needs to focus on long term, foundational and irreversible gains when the walmart shelves are empty.
 

Ringsword

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TSMC fabbing Huawei chips is a short term benefit (<5 years), same with nvidia cards. China should further push for SMIC and home grown chip design instead.

This will be a once in a lifetime opportunity to extract a pound of flesh from America. China needs to focus on long term, foundational and irreversible gains when the walmart shelves are empty.
 

zyklon

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Everything is so over leveraged that once news of empty shelves actually hit, the whales will start panic selling. If Trump doesn’t set Navarro on fire and toss him off Trump Tower by then we know that merit based promotion is truly dead in DC.

When the January 6th Committee subpoenaed Peter Navarro in 2022, he refused to snitch on Trump or otherwise cooperate in any way.

As a result, Dr. Navarro spent four months camping
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He even "celebrated" his 75th birthday at camp!

Not to say our illustrious president is a
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, but a mob boss would certainly classify Dr. Navarro as a man of merit on the basis of Omerta.
 

Thecore

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When the January 6th Committee subpoenaed Peter Navarro in 2022, he refused to snitch on Trump or otherwise cooperate in any way.

As a result, Dr. Navarro spent four months camping
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He even "celebrated" his 75th birthday at camp!

Not to say our illustrious president is a
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, but a mob boss would certainly classify Dr. Navarro as a man of merit on the basis of Omerta.
Yet Tony Soprano whacked Tony B nonetheless when he became too much trouble.
 

zyklon

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At the end of the day, the Chinese will come to the negotiating table with a list of demands. The price for going back to pre-tariff relations will be much, much higher than just zero tariffs from the U. S. I can see a long list of things the Chinese can ask for. EUV, C919 pass FAA, Huawei in the U. S., Chinese EV in the U.S., Taiwan, U. S. renounce taking Greenland. U. S. out of Burma. I could go on.

In all fairness, if COMAC and Huawei are willing to build factories in the US, Trump may go for it as he'll be able to sell such capital investments as political wins to domestic audiences.

China do the funnest thing and demand US cease support for Israel.

That would be very altruistic of China!

However, should Beijing wish for Washington to discover new
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in the Muslim world at the expense of American
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and
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, then it must support
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! :p

Yet Tony Soprano whacked Tony B nonetheless when he became too much trouble.

Not sure if Trump will ever personally conduct any executions, but insallah, we will find out over the course of the next 1,361 blessed days or so! :cool:

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TK3600

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They don't look like us; they can't mesh in like cancer cells. And we knew what they were decades ago. After WWII, populations of them wanted to settle in China. For humanitarian reasons, we did not reject them outright, but the Chinese government told them that they may stay and make their living in agriculture. They are banned from middle-man trading and absolutely banned from politics. They left.
Not allowed to rent seek in a communist state? Literally unlivable. Time to self-exile.
 

nativechicken

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BRI started in 2013.
When aiding the U.S. during the 2008 financial crisis, China was already acutely aware of the potential fallout. America had embedded a dormant threat within China’s economy, adhering to its well-worn strategy of global financial extraction. At the time, China began laying groundwork to shield its short-term stimulus-driven growth from being drained by U.S. capital. The aim was to redirect dollar inflows away from China’s real estate and infrastructure "reservoirs," expanding these channels through overseas infrastructure projects and trade. While decoupling was not yet anticipated, China sought primarily to protect its wealth from American financial exploitation.

In 2008, U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson pressed China to absorb over 700billiontostabilizeAmericanmarkets.Withtheyuannon−convertible,thiscapitalwasfunneledintobasemoneyexpansion,inevitablyinflatingrealestateandinfrastructurebubbles.Chinaunderstoodthedangers,havinglearnedfromthe1997Asianfinancialcrisis.RecognizingAmerica’scyclicalcapitalistcrises—whichrecurevery8−10yearsanddemandexternalcapitalextractiontoresolve—Chinausedthe700 billion influx to prepare for the U.S. Federal Reserve’s planned 2016-2018 rate hikes, designed to collapse China’s economy and enable cheap acquisition of its strategic assets.

The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) emerged partly to address overcapacity: after excessive domestic infrastructure investment (steel, cement, etc.), China redirected surplus industrial resources to developing nations as U.S. rate hikes pressured its real estate sector. By 2010, warnings circulated within China’s financial system. The $700 billion injection had generated 4 trillion yuan in base money, which ballooned into over 20 trillion yuan in credit—the origin of today’s local debt crisis. A guiding principle among Chinese leaders was: "However it decays, the meat must rot in our own pot" (no wealth drainage to foreign capital). The cost, however, was immense.

From 2016-2020, the U.S. attempted to siphon value from China via gradual rate hikes but failed. Post-2020 pandemic quantitative easing (QE) compounded America’s woes: unresolved risks from 2008 fused with new QE-driven vulnerabilities by 2024, layering 2.5-3 crisis cycles. China effectively blocked two U.S. financial offensives.

To America’s elite, China is the ultimate saboteur—thwarting its capital extraction, magnifying QE’s toxic fallout, and crippling the dollar’s cyclical dominance. By 2018, after withstanding U.S. rate hikes without collapse, China realized it had inadvertently struck a mortal blow to dollar hegemony. Understanding America’s inevitable retaliation, China’s commitment to decoupling solidified long ago.
 
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