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supersnoop

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I'm tired. The last two weeks have been emotionally draining.

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Are these actual OEMs or replica manufacturers?

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Implied it's a replica, he mentioned French labour for the Hermes bags. Most of those materials are also imported from Europe as well.
The problem with these A-grade replicas has always been the price.
He's quoting $1000 - $1400 USD, this might sound like a bargain relative to $38,000, but still well into the realm of higher end pricing. Most women who want to "upgrade" are buying mid-range $500 - $800 bags.
Conversely, the "Wirkin" (Walmart + Birkin, as some enterprising marketplace trader decided to list it on Walmart's platform) replica which was $120 was a hot seller.
 

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Trump Begins Evading China Tariff Issues

Trump’s personality has once again played a steady role. Confronting the Sino-US tariff standoff—a deadlock with no substantive solution except for the US making real concessions—Trump has chosen to shelve the issue and refocus his rhetoric on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. The essence of Trump’s tariff game is global extortion, forcing the world to pay for America’s domestic wealth redistribution and national debt. However, China’s resistance has triggered a chain reaction, including Japan’s growing refusal to comply, though expressed in varying ways across nations.

The reason is simple: Surrendering to the US would result in terms worse than tariffs. The US administration’s bottom-line plan is to reconstruct a large-scale medieval tributary order worldwide, "assigning" nations to absorb designated US debt quotas while restricting interest rates and redemption methods. This isn’t mere robbery—it’s about implanting a US debt dependency into the heart of every nation, forcing the world to unconditionally subsidize America for 50, 100, or even more years through long-term, low-interest bonds.

So far, only Lai Ching-te of China’s Taiwan province, who seeks "independence," has shown willingness to accept this so-called solution. Other stated goals—trade imbalances, manufacturing repatriation—are secondary. Trump isn’t battling the world; he’s attempting to challenge Hayek. Yet today’s US capital markets reject such pathologically delusional rhetoric and actions.

Can Trump withstand US capital markets? Clearly not. He’s just a deranged businessman, not the 40K God-Emperor incarnate—no gene-seed primarchs, no warp-jump technology, no psychic charisma. Without his sycophantic entourage, today’s US is a geriatric empire stumbling naked.

Navarro’s verbal acrobatics might pass peer review at mediocre journals, but in practice, his wordplay and the policies it spawns are sheer lunacy. The "Mar-a-Lago Consensus" (particularly its structural aspects) appears slightly more coherent but ultimately proposes rebuilding US hegemony by dismantling its load-bearing walls. The result? Either the walls can’t be moved, or their removal causes fatal collapse. What remains won’t be a shrunken hegemony—only fragments.

The world may face turbulence, but post-crisis, history will enter a new era of "global order minus US hegemony"—this is now undeniable.

As Chinese netizens wittily observe, this US administration’s greatest achievement is inventing a third market state beyond bulls and bears: the monkey market (). Trump’s team uses indescribable policies to treat US financial markets like , the domestic economy like , and even core MAGA supporters like .

China has no interest in monkeying around (). While the US president focuses on -taming spectacles, China prioritizes building a shared human destiny. Recent diplomatic visits and the Vietnam bilateral agreement send an unequivocal signal: China is dead serious. Since US hegemony has proven itself unreliable, China will unflinchingly counterattack while advancing a new world order. After all, the Heart of Azeroth summons heroes to new quests.

The tariff exemptions on IT products expose this administration’s farcical incompetence. Its purity of delusion nears 100%—a pathological clique living in a fantasy world. Yet global observers needn’t despair like the titan Algalon. Though humanity occasionally spawns tax-obsessed nuisances, abundant evidence shows Eastern powers and allies are shouldering the mission to:

  1. Block this administration’s damage to world order
  2. Co-create a better future
History’s gears now turn irreversibly. Though filled with "spiritually pathological" chaos, no warp-space miracles can override objective laws. Final victory belongs to those resisting bullying with dignity. The future lies with those embodying humanity’s nobler traits—let us march forward, consigning hegemony to history’s footnotes while steering the world toward brighter horizons.
 

Cygnus

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If you are East Asian or SEA or looking anything remotely Chinese be prepared to be harassed and subject to racial profiling. If you have an opportunity to get out of dodge City get out now! If you are thinking of vacation or even a stop over don't! I have a feeling this will escalate and the US right now is resembling a pseudo dystopian fascist nightmare with zero regards to rules, laws or customs. It is the Wild Wild West again. I am beginning to realized the movie Civil War and The Purge is becoming closer to reality over there.
 

AndrewJ

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China should only accept negotiating with the US after Vance apologizes for his "Chinese peasants" comment. otherwise forget it. we have seen during the Covid pandemic that the Manufacturer has the upper hand not the importer. during Covid American states were the ones trying to outbid each other to buy stuff from China. if the US was in China's position Trump would have been saying "they are kissing my a** to buy venilators & PPE from me." but of course China has enough decency and self respect that they wouldn't say something like that.
The Chinese leadership doesn't seem to be the kind to take offense at - much less craft an economic response on the basis of - an offhand usage of figure-of-speech by JD Vance.

CCP will have to make the calculation if what it might suffer is worth what it can inflict on the US economy. One thing is for sure; America wants these specific exemptions, so it means that denying these deals targeted damage to America's weakness, increasing the likeliness that it would be worth it. If they were smart, they'd keep that exemption list private and make them at its ports, but if they were smart, we wouldn't be doing any of this stupid bullshit today. Publishing the list is painting the targets for China.

Chinese citizens want trade war with these ass hats. Only those without pride want an off-ramp after being threatened.
What the Chinese government will tolerate is what its citizens will tolerate, unless we are to assume that the leadership is entirely disconnected from its people (one could argue that most governments are anyway).

Where are you getting the idea that Chinese people "want a trade war", especially when they are on the receiving end of the brunt of the economic fallout?

That is why they signal weakness. When the enemy is weak, it is your signal to attack.

That he's a stubborn dumbass is our problem? He wants to negotiate; let him wait on a silent phone. We have a growing economy while America's is near recession.
These tariffs are meant to be a long-term strategy, not a short-term gain. Most Americans focus on the near-term losses on the stock market and expensive commodities instead of realizing that these growing pains may very well give way to self-sufficient industries.

These exemptions are America's weakness. China's currency devaluation has nothing to do with American pressure; you don't devalue 1% to offset 145% tariffs.
Or perhaps the PBOC cannot devalue the RMB any further without hammering away at its citizens' purchasing power and consumption level.
 

manqiangrexue

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What the Chinese government will tolerate is what its citizens will tolerate, unless we are to assume that the leadership is entirely disconnected from its people (one could argue that most governments are anyway).
This is correct, which is why the CCP chose confrontation and to raise the stakes rather than appeasement.
Where are you getting the idea that Chinese people "want a trade war",
By your own logic. The Chinese government represents the will of its citizens and the Chinese government just keeps raising the stakes to America's challenges. Given the statements of the US elite including but not limited to Trump and Vance, who would not want to fight? Why would anyone not want to fight? Because personal hardship is above pride? Let that be America's problem. The CCP finds new and larger trading partners to ameliorate any damage.

Now is the perfect time for a trade war. America's economy is on the verge of recession. Politically, it's in chaos from internal strife. What other time would you find the citizens of bullied countries from Japan to Europe all cheering for China to drop Trump's America to its knees? If this happens, America's dominance is over. Even after Trump leaves, people all around the world will remember that when push came to shove, China broke the USA.
especially when they are on the receiving end of the brunt of the economic fallout?
We might grow slower by half a percent or a percent but if it puts the US into recession, it's worth it. They take the brunt, not us.
These tariffs are meant to be a long-term strategy, not a short-term gain. Most Americans focus on the near-term losses on the stock market and expensive commodities instead of realizing that these growing pains may very well give way to self-sufficient industries.
There is no strategy. What you say is opposite to what Bessent says... which is opposite of that Trump says... which is opposite of what Navarro AKA Vara says... which is opposite of what Musk says. A poll says the vast majority of Americans say they want manufacturing in the US, and that same poll says the vast majority of them don't want to work in a factory. America is not in a position to take advantage of any strategy.
Or perhaps the PBOC cannot devalue the RMB any further without hammering away at its citizens' purchasing power and consumption level.
Nobody can devalue their currency by 145%. Nor has anyone tried. China's retaliation is clear; we want economic war with the US. We will not avoid and absorb like water but rather we fight like steel.
 
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