Trade War with China

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Equation said:
You don't know why Chinese people are angry over this? That's a little bit excess in terms of how stupid questions typically get.

No Chinese has faith in the Canadian legal system anymore. Even if they release her without extradition, that they have gone this far and inconvenienced someone this much for no violation of Canadian law is completely unforgivable. Regardless of the extradition result, unless Canada really goes out of its way to atone for its mistakes and make it up to the Chinese people in an outstandingly fashion, the prejudice against Canadians that this episode has engraved upon me and my willingness to patronize their products/services will likely be life-long.
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Absolutely this. And the fact that some of the people here don't seem to understand this is testament to their lack of understanding about why Chinese might feel besieged.

Max Demian said:
Why is there so much anger in your words? You do realize you are wishing ill to the 37 million people of that country. Perhaps you should show more faith in the Canadian justice system.
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Yes I realize. And no, I refuse. They are a puppet state that wants to play pretend at independence. And they deserve what's coming to them.
 
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weig2000 said:
Please refrain from making such childish and immature statement at SDF.
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It would be pretty good if they got collapsed to the utmost. A complete end to their society and way of life.

localizer said:
Lol people subconsciously ignore that everyday Taiwan, India, Japan, Korea, Russia, ASEAN wishes not only for the trade war to continue but also for an actual China-US war and Chinese to be ethnically cleansed.

Trump is very popular in those countries for his hardliner stance on China.

There really wasn't much bad blood between China and US/Europe, but there's going to be in the future.
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Those subconscious ignorers seem to include some guys here too.
 
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Equation said:
You don't know why Chinese people are angry over this? That's a little bit excess in terms of how stupid questions typically get.

No Chinese has faith in the Canadian legal system anymore. Even if they release her without extradition, that they have gone this far and inconvenienced someone this much for no violation of Canadian law is completely unforgivable. Regardless of the extradition result, unless Canada really goes out of its way to atone for its mistakes and make it up to the Chinese people in an outstandingly fashion, the prejudice against Canadians that this episode has engraved upon me and my willingness to patronize their products/services will likely be life-long.
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Well, I'm sorry to say this, but yours is a very childish reaction.

You're delusional to think that you speak for all the Chinese. Last time I checked there was no mass exodus of Chinese from Canada, nor are they selling their property en masse. Some have publicly protested, others have cautioned for calm and restraint. Doesn't look to me the behaviour of people who have lost all faith in a country's justice system.
 
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Max Demian said:
You have serious issues man.
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Hows that different from US trying to stop China's from becoming more powerful/advanced than the US? It's a politically, morally, and ethically untenable position. Yet that's what's happening. This whole pivot to China will go on for decades regardless of who's in office in both the US and China. China can go democratic and the China hawks (US + China's neighbors) will still have the loudest voice.
 
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ougoah said:
Typical western exceptionalism and arrogance. It disgusts all level headed people who aren't so emotionally invested into keeping themselves blind to the details. In this universe, an Asian is evil and racist... more so than the proven evils and racists. You can only fight it. People have tried doing it with kindness, rationality, and compromise. Those people are no longer around because they've made themselves into victims. Already there are nations and people standing up to the current order, unfortunately often with equal violence and barbarism as the west. As we've seen with recent Huawei accusations, this is just the tip of the iceberg. The trend will continue and hopefully it will spell the death of modern western civilisation because once China goes violent and barbaric, it will shame the likes of ISIS. Unfortunately western civilisation is set up such that most of the world must contribute to its perpetuation or perish. Similar to how a religion works. Encourage reproduction (of ideals), forced indoctrination, conversions, threat of violence and exclusion to all outsiders who are unwilling to comply or work against it. Bacteria to human society and world order, all the same. Nature isn't without patterns after all.

What China and Russia (and any nation antagonised by the west) desperately need is MORE chauvinisitic and violent attitudes. It is the only means of defending against a problematic group that is far too powerful and far too abusive of its power. There are literally dozens of companies and corporations running much dodgier operations than Huawei is ACCUSED of. These companies get ignored. Reason being China is perceived as a threat and of course it is. It's one of the few groups outside of the powers that be which is capable of defending itself. Trends show that it will become more than simply defending itself. This is a worry for those at the top. If Chinese adopt the old failed way of dealing with westerners, it will suffer calamities much worse than the looting of China in the past and the burning down of its cities by these westerners. The lesson was taught, how well are the CCP prepared to demonstrate this understanding? It's honestly a shame the general Indian population and their elected leaders stand in between and edge towards favouring the west. How easily manipulated people can be. I'm hoping all the racism and intolerance they receive from the stupid subsets of western political movements will create movements to the left and also towards the non-western aligned group.
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Come on Ougoah, not all Westerners are as handsome and exceptional as BD Popeye and Jeff Head, relax Dude, the rest of just look like the Skipper off Gilligans Island! we wish we were that handsome and smart, really, but those two are just exceptionally bright and good looking!
 
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Max Demian said:
Well, I'm sorry to say this, but yours is a very childish reaction.

You're delusional to think that you speak for all the Chinese. Last time I checked there was no mass exodus of Chinese from Canada, nor are they selling their property en masse. Some have publicly protested, others have cautioned for calm and restraint. Doesn't look to me the behaviour of people who have lost all faith in a country's justice system.
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Well, sorry to say this, but you don't decide what's childish or not. You live in a country that is far less political because it has no chance of being a world superpower so it is natural for you to care far less about these things. Chinese people see this as an attack on our country and an insult to our relationship with Canada.

You're delusional if you think that you can understand Chinese people or that they will tell you want we think. There may not be mass exodus, but you've shown before to be oblivious to less obvious undercurrents. Boycotting Canadian and rejecting their business is some of the smaller ways each Chinese can change. Protesting and calling for restraint is all a common person can do; do not confuse helplessness with faith. If you found yourself in a North Korean prison one day, there is nothing else your countrymen can do for you than those; it doesn't mean that they believe that North Korea is a fair and lawful country. You would be very foolish to dismiss what you read here because it doesn't match with what you hear from your colleagues because internet anonymity is the best way for you to hear what Chinese people really think.
 
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Equation said:
If you found yourself in a North Korean prison one day, there is nothing else your countrymen can do for you than those; it doesn't mean that they believe that North Korea is a fair and lawful country.
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Oh, but he should. He really should. North Korea has every bit as much right and justification to claim to be a country ruled by law as Canada does. Should he be arrested there and sent back to wherever he's from in the state Otto Warmbier was, what is that but justice?

Equation said:
You would be very foolish to dismiss what you read here because it doesn't match with what you hear from your colleagues
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It's not what he hears, it's what he believes. People like him have to believe in the endless perpetuation of Western supremacy - they would go insane otherwise. I believe Lovecraft put it best: "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far... but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age."

That's the kind of fear the rise of China evokes in such people.
 
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localizer said:
Lol people subconsciously ignore that everyday Taiwan, India, Japan, Korea, Russia, ASEAN wishes not only for the trade war to continue but also for an actual China-US war and Chinese to be ethnically cleansed.
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I would distinguish between the media and the people of those places (Taiwan, India, et cetera). The media tends to be neocon, because it is largely owned, controlled, or heavily influenced by neocons. Most people in those places probably think otherwise; over a million Taiwanese are actually living in the mainland.


Trump is very popular in those countries for his hardliner stance on China.
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Popular in the neocon media, perhaps.


There really wasn't much bad blood between China and US/Europe, but there's going to be in the future.
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Between China and the US, there will be animosity, no doubt. Between China and Europe, I am not so sure.
 
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I just have to wonder about the audacity of the so called rule-based western society to sit on the moral high horse and lecture us Chinese on laws and rules while they acted quite the opposite.
Opium War forced on China,
8 nations alliance that sacked Beijing, looted and burned the Summer Palace,
animosity and bad press from western MSM shown to China before the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games,
western disruption of countries causing countless misery and sufferings including Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, and now Venezuela .
American military FONs everywhere they want, citing international law which Uncle Sam did not even sign up to.

China is not perfect, and is still a long way off to a equal opportunity society, but at least the country is safe and prosperous and its citizenry contented with the way the country is moving forward. Chinese people work hard, mind their own business, and would not lecture other people what to do as opposed to western society.

The members of this Forum are highly educated and well traveled / read / informed. We cannot be fooled that easily. Sometimes some members do show high emotion and may make inappropriate statements, but that is only in the face of certain members' persistent hubris, arrogance, and hypocrisy in implying China being an " oppressed " society.
they feel that kidnapping Ms. Meng is lawful and rule based, while anything China does is barbaric and contrary to global order and security.
no wonder the west has lost the sympathy or trust of the Chinese younger generation after 2008 because of the consistent negative reporting by western MSM , so much so that there is a saying in China that goes like this: " don't be like CNN ", meaning don't lie like CNN.
 
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