Trade War with China

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localizer

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I am okay with what was said except for the last sentence.

This must be the most ridiculous comment I've heard for a long time. To the Chinese masses, the Canadian justice has just kidnapped one of its citizen on transit in Canada purportedly on the behest of another country's justice system that the rest of the world knows nothing about, and is not bound to it in any means, and now you are expecting the same Chinese masses to have faith in the Canadian justice system like it's some kind of religion, and just accept any judgment and punishment (specifically, the kidnapping) that comes their way?
It's kinda pointless to say those things at this point.
If she gets extradited, Chinese will get mad and say the system sucks and hawks will be happy. If she's let go, the opposite will be true.
This is how things have been ever since Trump put everything under the media's gaze.
 
U.S., China Close In on Trade Deal
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March 3, 2019 2:32 p.m. ET

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China and the U.S. are in the final stage of completing a trade deal, with Beijing offering to lower tariffs and other restrictions on American farm, chemical, auto and other products and Washington considering removing most, if not all, sanctions levied against Chinese products since last year.

The agreement is taking shape following February’s talks in Washington, people briefed on the matter on both sides said. They cautioned that hurdles remain, and each side faces possible resistance at home that the terms are too favorable to the other side.

Despite the remaining hurdles, the talks have progressed to the extent that a formal agreement could be reached at a summit between President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping, probably around March 27, after Xi finishes a trip to Italy and France, individuals with knowledge of the plans said.

As part of a deal, China is pledging to help level the playing field, including speeding up the timetable for removing foreign-ownership limitations on car ventures and reducing tariffs on imported vehicles to below the current auto tariff of 15%. Beijing would also step up purchases of U.S. goods — a tactic designed to appeal to Trump, who campaigned on closing the bilateral trade deficit with China. One of the sweeteners would be an $18 billion natural-gas purchase from Cheniere Energy Inc.
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make no mistake, if Canada does extradite Ms. Meng to the US, it will create such an uproar in China that the Beijing Government would have no choice but to respond with economic and political salvos in the strongest terms against Canada. Why? Because Canada has set a very dangerous precedent in kidnapping a Chinese national at the behest of Uncle Sam, and should Beijing fail to react strongly, other US allies may be tempted to do similar things to curry US favors. Well then, no Chinese CEO's would be safe to travel anywhere in the world to conduct their business deals, lest they are subject to kidnappings, disappearances and other misadventures. Secret extraordinary renditions, anyone still remember ?? Another example of blatant abuse of human rights that the west vaunted so much about.
Sometimes you have to kill a chicken to warn off the monkeys. That's what China should do to Canada.
 
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China and the US should step up economic and trade consultations to reach a mutually beneficial agreement, Zhang Yesui, a spokesperson for the second session of the 13th National People's Congress, said at a press conference Monday.

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s002wjh

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In the potential trade deal .China are plan to buy 200B of semiconductor in next 6 yrs . how is this gonna affect china own R&D in semiconductors when all those $$ spend on imports
 

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In the potential trade deal .China are plan to buy 200B of semiconductor in next 6 yrs . how is this gonna affect china own R&D in semiconductors when all those $$ spend on imports


1. I don't think anyone expects a deal with Trump to last 6 months much less 6 years so I would make as many long-term promises as possible.

2. It would be unspeakably foolish if funds for the domestic development of semiconductors were siphoned for this. I would be so stupid it would be hard to believe. I am seeing a concurrent ramp up in Chinese semiconductor investment, which does not suggest that.
 

Nutrient

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In the potential trade deal .China are plan to buy 200B of semiconductor in next 6 yrs . how is this gonna affect china own R&D in semiconductors when all those $$ spend on imports

First, I suspect the reliability of the news that China is promising to buy $200 billion of semiconductors from the U.S. Western media is notorious for spewing fake news.

And second, even if the news were true, I would not be worried. China would probably need more than the posited six years for the production of the local semiconductors to mature. I expect that most of the $200 billion would be spent up front, and the purchases from the U.S. would be ramped down as the local manufacturers ramped up. I seriously doubt that the Chinese government would stop or even slow the growth of the local industry: as ZTE proves, the U.S. is not a reliable source for something so strategic.
 

localizer

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In the potential trade deal .China are plan to buy 200B of semiconductor in next 6 yrs . how is this gonna affect china own R&D in semiconductors when all those $$ spend on imports
Lol, psst TSMC, ship everything to US then sell to China
 

CMP

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Lol, psst TSMC, ship everything to US then sell to China

As far as I know, TSMC keeps its most cutting edge fabs in Taiwan, but doesn't it also have it's non-cutting edge fabs in China? AFAIK TSMC doesn't manufacture in the states. Am I wrong? If TSMC has enough fabs in China, even when they're not the cutting edge ones, doesn't that provide some degree of supply chain security for China?

Edit: I misunderstood your statement but I get it now. Feel free to still clarify answers to my questions though.
 

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Trade is war – so reads the title of a book by Yash Tandon. One need not endorse such a pessimistic view to acknowledge the far-reaching strategic implications of trade relations between the US and China. The two countries are currently negotiating on a wide set of issues. Without agreement, the US threatens to raise tariffs on imports from China, initially planned for March 1st and then indefinitely postponed by President Trump in light of the “substantial progress” achieved.

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reports that the final deal, in the absence of last-minute surprises, should touch upon the most important issues affecting the Sino-American relationship. First, the enormous bilateral Chinese trade surplus will be partially countervailed by Beijing commitment to importing a number of US products, in particular agricultural ones (such as soybeans, corn and wheat).

Second, Chinese authorities would pledge greater protection of intellectual property rights, so far one of the most acute points of contention between the two countries, given the allegedly China-led theft of US trade secrets and the well-known transfer of technology necessary for American firms to operate in the Chinese market. Third, and relatedly, China is expected to loosen regulatory requirements for foreign companies and to ease authorisations to international investments.

Fourth, the US demanded commitment from Beijing to ensure renminbi’s stability, in order to prevent competitive currency devaluations that would further worsen US trade deficit vis-a-vis China. In exchange, tariffs on Chinese exports would not be increased as planned, and the charges against Huawei and its chief financial officer Meng Wanzhou might be dropped as (an unofficial) part of the deal.

The importance of the agreement is underlined by the extent and variety of reactions, which largely differ in identifying winners and key issues of the deal. Is Trump about to fix a long-lasting asymmetry in international trade, or is the deal a Pyrrhic victory that only allows the president to claim success on a couple of campaign promises, without addressing the roots of American structural imbalances? Is the deal asymbolic triumph of the Chinese way of managing political and economic developments, or slowing growth prospects are legitimately worrying the Chinese Communist establishment, threatened by mounting discontent?

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on Bloomberg argues that the overall outcome is favorable to Chinese interests, while it undermines long-term US credibility. In fact, Chinese concessions are limited and in line with Beijing’s plans, such as reducing the deficit or improving the protection of intellectual property rights. In exchange, the United States counteracts its own interests in three related ways: first, by incentivising state-led solutions instead of pushing for greater space for market forces; second, by affecting the reputation of its judicial system, whose decisions should not be informed by political and economic considerations; third, by jeopardising its credibility in future negotiations, which will soon be needed given the fragility of the expected agreement.

The contrast between Trump’s short-term political gain and durable geopolitical risks arising from the deal is also at the centre of
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’s opinion piece, which warns about the consequences on the trade conflict with the EU. The latter, in contrast with China, is not able to force its resident private companies to pursue political goals. This implies that autocracies have a relative advantage when dealing with President Trump compared to countries respecting the rule of law. The outsized relevance of the president’s personality and desire for “tweetable deliveries” in the context of trade negotiations therefore has a troubling impact on US foreign policy.

Many commentators focus on the relative importance of the part of the deal devoted to currency issues.
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, on FT Alphaville, highlights the importance of deciphering what a “stable” renminbi (as demanded in the deal) actually means. Stability, indeed, could be in real or nominal terms, against the dollar or a basket of currencies, with very different implications. In fact, the Bank of China already keeps the Chinese currency within a fairly restricted band, and even more tightly since September. However, stable might also mean strong, and the deal could accordingly require China to keep the yuan below 7.0 per dollar. It is unclear though why China should willingly let the US set its exchange rate, in particular when the economy is slowing and appropriate monetary policy would probably weaken the value of its currency.

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a commitment to a stronger renminbi is an essential part of any deal aimed at reducing US trade deficit with China. Further depreciation cannot be an option on the table of Chinese authorities for the agreement to be credible, as a weaker yuan would further reinforce the existing dynamic which makes US imports from China relatively cheaper and US exports to China relatively pricier.

Mark Sobel endorses a similar viewpoint – a chapter on currency stability is a key part of a trade deal. However, such a chapter must solve several critical issues. First, a deal can be advisory or binding. The US administration, also in light of the record of past non-binding commitments from the Chinese authorities, should require more than agreement on mere guidelines. Accordingly, China and the US have to agree on ways to enforce such agreement. Second, as mentioned above, the policy translation of currency stability has to be clarified, along with the admissible range of fluctuation for the renminbi-dollar rate. There should also be specific provisions in case a depreciating renminbi were the sole result of American monetary or fiscal policy decisions.
 
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