Trade War with China

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solarz

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Yeah who knows though. Done with approval, awareness, or not, they were caught out and now it just adds ammunition to the overall effort behind this trade war, fueling everything else that is unreasonable.

There's a saying in China: when a wolf wants to eat a lamb, he can find any excuse.

There's no point to fretting over the validity of those reasons, just don't be a lamb in the first place.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
You are projecting the Chinese government's ability to monitor a company's illicit activities. If that was the case, there would be no corporate crimes, at least the major ones. Never underestimate a white collar individual's ability to camouflage his shenanigans.

Um, no let’s be very clear here, ZTE has only violated domestic US sanctions. There was no UN sanction or international law broken.

The US domestic laws would have as much international standing as a new Chinese law criminalising business dealings with Taiwan for example.

China could pass a law tomorrow to sanction any western firm that does any business with Taiwan, SK, Japan or any other country that catches its ire, would that make it ‘illicit’ for western companies to continue doing business with those countries?

What America is doing with ZTE, and threatening to do more broadly with its impending threatened withdraw from the Iran deal, is leverage its market position and power to force other countries to follow its own domestic dictats.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
What America is doing with ZTE, and threatening to do more broadly with its impending threatened withdraw from the Iran deal, is leverage its market position and power to force other countries to follow its own domestic dictats.

That's because desperation reins and there is no other viable strategy left to sustain the current US status quo. Like I said before, the time are changing and so is the world geo politics.
 

taxiya

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Isn't ZTE the one not playing by US sanctions while using their chips is really asking for it. By extension, its actions are reflections of CPC's willingness to overlook NK and Iranian sanctions. I don't think Trump is being unreasonable here unless I'm missing something or a lot.
PRC (not CPC) did not overlook the relevant sanctions mandated by the UN. PRC ignored US (individually) imposed sanction which PRC bares NO legal obligation. ZTE as a commercial entity buying American products does have an obligation to abide the demand of US government. The two (PRC and ZTE) cases are totally different matters.
 

broadsword

Brigadier
Yeah who knows though. Done with approval, awareness, or not, they were caught out and now it just adds ammunition to the overall effort behind this trade war, fueling everything else that is unreasonable.

Who knows? Do you? Do you know that there are thousands of financial crimes happening every year?
 

Lethe

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What's so exceptional about the USA that ensures its current title of great power?

Population. Even if all the developing nations of this world are stunningly successful in furthering their development while maintaining social cohesion and so go on to achieve similar wealth and power as first world nations, the United States will still remain amongst the most powerful of nations by virtue of being larger than all but three of them. In the absence of civil war and national collapse, or an economic-military revolution from abroad akin to that which enabled the age of European imperialism, or 'hand of god' events such as plague, eruption of Yellowstone, nuclear annihilation, etc. the United States will remain a great power for the foreseeable future.
 
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vincent

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PRC (not CPC) did not overlook the relevant sanctions mandated by the UN. PRC ignored US (individually) imposed sanction which PRC bares NO legal obligation. ZTE as a commercial entity buying American products does have an obligation to abide the demand of US government. The two (PRC and ZTE) cases are totally different matters.

Killing ZTE is like giving a thief a death sentence for stealing a loaf of bread.
 

SinoSoldier

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Killing ZTE is like giving a thief a death sentence for stealing a loaf of bread.

That's usually how precedents are set to deter future cases of illicit conduct. Huawei & other Chinese tech companies are next if they don't abide by US sanctions or if Washington wishes to pull another trump card in its trade spat with Beijing.
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
That's because desperation reins and there is no other viable strategy left to sustain the current US status quo. Like I said before, the time are changing and so is the world geo politics.

Nah, not really desperation. This is just another well-played move in the grand scheme of the Chinese-US trade war, dressed like a punitive response to a sole company's violation of sanction rules.
 
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