Trade War with China

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taxiya

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Spotlight: Israeli semiconductor firms see ample opportunities of cooperating with Chinese partners
Source: Xinhua| 2018-05-02 23:39:22|Editor: Mu Xuequan
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by Xinhua writers Chen Wenxian, Wang Bowen

JERUSALEM, May 2 (Xinhua) -- Experts and companies from Israeli semiconductor industry said they see a lot of opportunities of working with Chinese partners in the sector.

"I believe that there are a lot of opportunities that Chinese companies can work with Israeli ones in the semiconductor sector," said Sol Gradman, general chair of the Chipex2018, an annual event of the Israeli microelectronics industry.

Gradman cited that Israel, with a new generation of technologies, is looking at future applications such as automotive applications, medical devices and for Internet of Things.

ChipEx2018, held Tuesday in Tel Aviv, the coastal city and the economic hub of Israel, was attended by major semiconductor companies from Israel and abroad.

Exhibitors presented their latest technological innovations of chips and related products and solutions, and even their ambitions of future direction of the industry.

Some exhibitors said they had already close business cooperation with Chinese companies, some of which have already opened innovation and R&D centers in Israel over the past years.

"We're super excited about being a part of helping grow China's semiconductor market," said Mark Granger, vice president of Global Foundries, a semiconductor foundry providing combination of design, development, and fabrication services.

Global Foundries has partnered with the local government in Chengdu, capital of southwestern China's Sichuan Province, to build a 300mm fabrication facility.


"China is such a huge and growing developer of products and solutions that it makes sense to have a very vibrant or large semiconductor industry," Granger told Xinhua.

"That's exactly why we're building the local Chinese semiconductor fabrication facility," Granger said.

Granger added that many innovative things are coming out of China in the chip design and development, and will continue to grow into a big market.

The experts at the Chipex2018 also viewed artificial intelligence and machine learning as the basic elements of the future development of the semiconductor industry.

However, one big challenge to further pushing forward the technological innovation of the semiconductor industry is the need for huge investment, they said.

Thus, it is necessary to increase global investment for the development of the semiconductor industry, they added.

"It makes sense to have a global environment and one of very free and open trade," Granger said.
While the US demand guarantees of final customer (of their chips) not to be in their sanction list, China may now have to demand the Israelis of no-American techs or licenses in their chips to China. Reminds me of the AWAC.
 

weig2000

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Like most things in life, there are always two sides to every story. While some may questioned the effectiveness of drastic economic reforms and shock therapy, the fact is what were the other viable alternatives? or just to sit on the status quo? Would those things had it been implemented instead led to even more misery and sufferings?

Well, there is always the "China approach," which was showing great promises at the time. The China approach would be the more gradual approach, retaining the vast majority of the state-owned enterprises initially while allowing private enterprises to form and prosper. The key here is that you need to cultivate and grow the market and the market players - private business owners and business managers in all enterprises - first. It takes time because neither of which existed in Mao's China or former Soviet Union.

In contrast, the architects of the "shock therapy" believe that market can be created overnight, in a big bang, and former foot-soldiers and citizens of a command economy will learn instantly how to swim in the ocean of the capitalist market by instinct without being drowned. We all know what had happened afterwards, by now.

The Russians and their American advisors were both naive and ignorant bunch. The Russians, never a people with commercial acumen, had been operating under a centrally-planned command economy for over seventy years and had no clue of how markets work; the Americans, having lived in a very successfully capitalist society for centuries, had no idea what it is like for people or nation never exposed to modern market economy. When they joined hands, chaos and disaster occurred, not surprisingly, even though they may all have good intentions.

By the way, the US and the West also don't understand much about development economies, their corresponding development stages having long preceded them and the circumstances were quite different from today's world in any case. That's why China is most experienced in transition economy and development economy.
 

kwaigonegin

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Well, there is always the "China approach," which was showing great promises at the time. The China approach would be the more gradual approach, retaining the vast majority of the state-owned enterprises initially while allowing private enterprises to form and prosper. The key here is that you need to cultivate and grow the market and the market players - private business owners and business managers in all enterprises - first. It takes time because neither of which existed in Mao's China or former Soviet Union.

In contrast, the architects of the "shock therapy" believe that market can be created overnight, in a big bang, and former foot-soldiers and citizens of a command economy will learn instantly how to swim in the ocean of the capitalist market by instinct without being drowned. We all know what had happened afterwards, by now.

The Russians and their American advisors were both naive and ignorant bunch. The Russians, never a people with commercial acumen, had been operating under a centrally-planned command economy for over seventy years and had no clue of how markets work; the Americans, having lived in a very successfully capitalist society for centuries, had no idea what it is like for people or nation never exposed to modern market economy. When they joined hands, chaos and disaster occurred, not surprisingly, even though they may all have good intentions.

By the way, the US and the West also don't understand much about development economies, their corresponding development stages having long preceded them and the circumstances were quite different from today's world in any case. That's why China is most experienced in transition economy and development economy.

I think to put it simply, the powers to be did not think the China approach would work in post USSR for the simple reason that the USSR is not China.
 

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I think to put it simply, the powers to be did not think the China approach would work in post USSR for the simple reason that the USSR is not China.

It's more like they did not understand the China approach entirely.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Day one of the beijing talks has ended. The US has given a list of "asks" to china.

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It does not say anything don't expect China to cave in on "made in china 2025 intitiative" They might lower tariff on selected item like car which is good. Since Chinese auto industry need to stand on its own and wean off from dependency on their partner. Beside most American and European car already has plant in china. It is sunset industry anyway in 20 years those conventional car will be gone.
Opening financial sector is alos good as it provide competition to the state bank who dominate everything to the detrimental of saver (low interest)

They have been talking about those 2 deregulation for years but never implemented due to opposition of the vested interest. so it is not concession as this Orlik guy said
 
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taxiya

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It does not say anything don't expect China to cave in on "made in china 2025 intitiative" They might lower tariff on selected item like car which is good. Since Chinese auto industry need to stand on its own and wean off from dependency on their partner. Beside most American and European car already has plant in china. It is sunset industry anyway in 20 years those conventional car will be gone.
Opening financial sector is alos good as it provide competition to the state bank who dominate everything to the detrimental of saver (low interest)

They have been talking about those 2 deregulation for years but never implemented due to opposition of the vested interest. so it is not concession as this Orlik guy said
hehe, we have to give Trump a ladder to climb down from his high horse, don't we?;) A ladder is just some nice-sounding words which means nothing substantial. If people in Washington want it, so let them have it.

I agree with the Car industry as China has reached a point similar like SK cars, that is having a strong position to survive but no way to surpass the fame and prestige of the German brands before the inevitable downfall of the conventional cars.

But I am still skeptical of the financial sector after seeing the damage in the EU and US during the crisis. However, I do see some of the faulty practice among the Chinese banks (too much linked to local government to support some inefficient projects) , so I agree that some professional foreign experiences are good to get in. My concern is that these foreign banks are not going to carry out social responsibilities directed by the state which the Chinese banks carries out (regardless their other short-comings). The opening should be tightly controlled and limited.
 
kinda interesting
Navy secretary, other US officials increasingly sounding alarm over Chinese smartphone maker Huawei
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As U.S. military brass continues to beat the warning drum about an ascendant
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threatening the global order, the company responsible for some of the world’s hottest smartphones is being called out as another Chinese front in the burgeoning battle for supremacy with the United States.

The cellphone behemoth Huawei was started by a former Chinese military official and has “extraordinary ties to the Chinese government,”
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Chairman Sen. Richard Burr said in February.

Due to security concerns, the federal government has moved to restrict Huawei’s operations in the United States and the Pentagon this week ordered
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to stop selling electronics made by Huawei and its Chinese competitor, ZTE.

“It’s not just the South China Sea,” Navy Secretary Richard Spencer told the Senate Appropriations Committee last month. “It’s across the full spectrum that China is coming at us.”

The Navy’s top civilian has repeatedly sounded off in recent months on the need to keep Huawei out of military projects, showcasing how U.S. concerns about the company loom beyond consumer electronics.

Spencer said the sea service is upping its vigilance to ensure that Huawei doesn’t sneak into Navy systems via the arcane labyrinth of the military contract world.

“What we’re finding as we drill down is, if you got two and three layers of holding companies, all of a sudden China Inc. is the owner,” Spencer told Congress earlier this year. “And we have to start paying attention to this, and we are.”

He has in several congressional committee hearings shared details of a Huawei-related incident involving a
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contract for ship software.

Huawei was found to be a “joint venture partner” with a division of GE that the Navy was contracting with, he told a House hearing in March.

“Huawei is on the (National Security Agency) list for don’t touch,” Spencer said, and the Navy immediately worked to figure out what GE’s relationship is with the company.

“We turned around and said, ‘Whoa, stop the horses,’” Spencer told the Senate Armed Services Committee last month. “We’d like to know what this means.”

Spencer said GE officials reassured them that they were “not going to use any of the assets of Huawei, nor its software.”

“We said, ‘Great, can we see the governance documents of the joint venture?’ And things got very frosty,” Spencer told the committee.

As a result, the Navy had to insert “prophylactic language in there that will protect us,” he told the appropriations committee.

“This is a continuing issue,” Spencer said.

GE spokeswoman Una Pulizzie said the company has a non-binding memorandum of understanding between its digital division and Huawei from 2016, “for the purpose of exploring potential civil commercial activities.”

“The MOU is disconnected from any of GE’s US military engagements,” she said in an email. “We addressed the Navy’s questions related to the MSC contract and are moving forward.”

MSC spokesman Nathan Potter said Huawei was not involved in the Navy contract for GE’s Predix Asset Performance Management software, which helps optimize maintenance costs and enhance performance.

“The Navy and MSC concurred with GE’s assessment that the software being used onboard possesses no additional vulnerability than any other server software currently on ships,” Potter said in March. “The system adds no additional connections and no additional security risks. Also, Predix software will only be used ashore.”

Huawei already sells products in 170 countries worldwide, and a current ad campaign on its U.S. website features “Wonder Woman” actress Gal Gadot and the slogan, “the best phone you’ve never heard of.”

Company officials pushed back against security concerns in a statement to Military Times this week.

“We remain committed to openness and transparency in everything we do and want to be clear that no government has ever asked us to compromise the security or integrity of any of our networks or devices.,” officials said in a statement.

The Pentagon cited unspecified security concerns this week when it banned the sale of Huawei and ZTE products from military exchanges.

“Huawei and ZTE devices may pose an unacceptable risk to the Department’s personnel, information and mission,” DOD spokesman Army Maj. Dave Eastburn told Military Times.

The Pentagon is evaluating whether it will need to implement a ban on the purchase and use of the company’s products, he said, and troops using such devices “should be aware of the media coverage concerning the security risks posed by the use of the devices, regardless of where the service member purchased the device.”

Risks exist when entities “beholden to foreign governments” are allowed to operate in U.S. networks, FBI Director
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told the Senate’s Select Intelligence Committee in February.

“It provides the capacity to maliciously modify or steal information, and it provides the capacity to conduct undetected espionage,” he said.

Huawei and other companies need to play by the rules in Western markets, committee vice chairman Sen. Mark Warner, said at the hearing.

“Most Americans have never heard of all these companies,” the Virginia Democrat said. “We need to make sure that this is not a new way for China to gain access to sensitive technology.”

Such concerns come after reports that China pilfered American stealth fighter jet designs to build its own versions over the years, among other alleged cyber-related nefariousness that some fear has narrowed the military gap between the two countries.

“What Beijing has been very good at is targeting U.S. defense contractors, getting into their computer systems through various types of essentially cyber warfare and stealing the designs of some of America’s best military assets,” Harry Kazianis, defense studies director at the Center for the National Interest, told
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late last year.

On other U.S. government fronts, a bill has been introduced in the Senate that would prevent the government from using Huawei or ZTE products, or from contracting with companies that use them.

The Federal Communications Commission voted last month in favor of a plan that would limit the ability of the companies to sell their products in the United States, the
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reported.

Governments from Canada to Australia and other allies are now considering the security implications of Huawei as well, according to the
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National Security Agency head Adm. Mike Rogers told the committee that the challenges posed by companies like Huawei will only increase over time.

Sen. Tom Cotton asked Rogers what U.S. mayors, county judges, university presidents and other functionaries should do if “Huawei or ZTE comes bearing gifts for them.”

“I would say you need to look long and hard at companies like this,” Rogers said.

Cotton asked the intel agency heads if any of them would ever use a Huawei or ZTE product, or recommend any American citizens use them.

None of the intel heads raised their hand.
 

hkbc

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But I am still skeptical of the financial sector after seeing the damage in the EU and US during the crisis. However, I do see some of the faulty practice among the Chinese banks (too much linked to local government to support some inefficient projects) , so I agree that some professional foreign experiences are good to get in. My concern is that these foreign banks are not going to carry out social responsibilities directed by the state which the Chinese banks carries out (regardless their other short-comings). The opening should be tightly controlled and limited.

The damage in the financial crisis was a result of lax rules and oversight by regulators, China should ensure it's rules and monitoring mechanisms are ready before granting banking and trading licences. There's plenty of good practice nearer to home, the HKMA for instance.

There is a belief that China's banking system under serves it's SMEs, hence the large pools of "dark" unregulated lending, so money to be made! Whilst the US likes to think its got "expertise" and a liberalised FS environment will favour them, there are lots of "foreign" banks and institutions with deeper ties and understanding of China liberalising a sector may not necessarily do as much for the US as they like to believe.

Companies are commercial entities, the orthodox way of "carrying out social responsibilities" is for government to tax those entities and redistribute the proceeds, tinkering with domestic banks' balance sheets is an expedient short cut but just makes life difficult for the management of those institutions.
 
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