Trade War with China

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Beijing warns US farmers may lose China market for good, but plays down tariffs impact at home
  • Top agriculture official says Chinese farmers can export products to non-US markets to weather impact of trade war
  • Country will also be able to source enough soybeans to meet domestic demand, according to Han Jun
Published: 5:00pm, 2 Jun, 2019
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US farmers cannot afford to lose the Chinese market, but farmers in China will be able to withstand the impact of American tariffs, according to a top agriculture official in Beijing.

Han Jun, vice-minister of agriculture and rural affairs, said China’s retaliatory tariffs on American products – the latest of which took effect on Saturday – now covered “virtually all US agricultural product exports to China”, warning that US farmers could lose the Chinese market for good.

“If the US doesn’t lift all additional tariffs [levied on Chinese products], bilateral agricultural product trade between China and the US, including soybean trade, will never go back to normal,” Han told the official Xinhua news agency in an interview.

“If the US loses China’s market, it will be very difficult for the US to regain it.”

Han, who is also a top policymaker as deputy head of the Office of the Central Leading Group for Rural Affairs, said the two rounds of aid offered by US President Donald Trump to American farmers would not be enough to cover their potential losses if they lost the Chinese market.

But he said Chinese farmers would be able to weather the impact of American tariffs.

In terms of the soybean trade, while China’s imports from the United States had plunged, it could find ways to diversify its sources, including encouraging Chinese farmers to grow more of the crop and buying more from other countries, Han said.

Soybean is the main source of China’s cooking oil and an important source of animal feed. In 2017, China imported 95 million tonnes of soybean in total – or nearly 90 per cent of its domestic demand. The country imported 32.8 million tonnes of soybean from the US that year, or about a third of total imports.

Last year, China’s soybean imports fell 7.9 per cent to 88 million tonnes, while imports from the US nearly halved to 16.6 million tonnes. Soybean imports from Brazil, meanwhile, surged 30 per cent to 66 million tonnes last year – or three-quarters of China’s total imports, according to Chinese customs data.

Han said Chinese agricultural product exports to the US would shrink further after Washington raised tariffs on US$200 billion worth of Chinese products to 25 per cent from 10 per cent last month. But he said China could manage the situation by diversifying its exports to Southeast Asia, Japan and Europe, according to the Xinhua report on Saturday.

In addition, Han said rising food inflation in China, a growing concern among consumers, had been caused by seasonal factors and was “not directly linked to
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”. He said a spike in pork prices was caused by the African swine fever outbreak but it would not get out of control because the government had already introduced measures to encourage pig farming.

“Many countries are willing to export more pork to China,” he added.

The agriculture official said the government would also ensure migrant workers had jobs amid the trade war, by providing them with training and giving them the chance to develop new skills and create new businesses.

Han’s interview with Xinhua came as Beijing is seeking to reassure the country that the government can manage the impact of a deepening trade rift with the US.

Beijing on Sunday
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blaming Washington for stalled trade talks but said it remained open to negotiations in the future.
Trade tensions between the two countries escalated last month after talks broke down, with the Trump administration increasing tariffs and China retaliating with its own duties on US$60 billion of US products. As well as the new tariffs on US$200 billion of Chinese products, the US has also threatened to impose a 25 per cent levy on the remaining US$325 billion of goods from China that are not subject to tariffs. That measure could be enforced by the end of June.
 
In a way the current trade war demonstrate a fundamental difference in thinking between the Chinese and the West. For the Chinese, when one party backs off or make some compromises, usually the other side won't push too much. It's a signal to the other party that it's time to stop. The old Chinese saying for this is “见好就收” meaning if you have gained something, it's time to wrap it up and call it a day.

For the West, especially Americans, there's no such thing as "见好就收". Any gestures out of kindness will be seen as a sign of weakness. And in their philosophy, when your enemy displays weakness, it's the best time for you to strike harder.

No it is not cultural, it is just the difference between playing nice and fair enough versus playing nasty and greedy. As I've said before, Trump and his camp is not doing this for the US nor because they don't know what they are doing but to maintain their personal privileged positions including perpetuating the prejudices and injustices that facilitated it.
 

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Huawei has reportedly stopped its smartphone production after US blacklist amid trade war

The report specified that the halt was by Foxconn, "the Taiwanese electronics manufacturer that assembles handsets products for many phone brands including Apple and Xiaomi," amid reduced orders for new phones.

They’re reorganzing how they’re gonna use their resources maybe?
 

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well, China has no options really. If China didn't fight back Trump would push harder and harder and he would see that China/XJP is weak and you know what would happen ... very exciting time. The US now becoming very unreliable partner, if I had a hi-tech project, definitely I would try hard to not using US parts nor technologies ... just too risky

Trump thought that being unpredictable was a good thing .... obviously it is NOT

If you back down to a bully, they will only demand more concessions because they know you are weak, and will likely give in to their additional demand again.
 

Max Demian

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In a way the current trade war demonstrate a fundamental difference in thinking between the Chinese and the West. For the Chinese, when one party backs off or make some compromises, usually the other side won't push too much. It's a signal to the other party that it's time to stop. The old Chinese saying for this is “见好就收” meaning if you have gained something, it's time to wrap it up and call it a day.

For the West, especially Americans, there's no such thing as "见好就收". Any gestures out of kindness will be seen as a sign of weakness. And in their philosophy, when your enemy displays weakness, it's the best time for you to strike harder.

I don't think there's anything Western about such attitude.

You can take all you just said and apply it to the Japanese in WW2 who saw weakness when the US relaxed the original terms of unconditional surrender to include only the armed forces of Japan and outright rejected the offer, because they thought the enemy surely must be weaker than it appeared and is unable to mount an invasion of the home islands.
 
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News Analysis: U.S. tariff moves sink U.S. equities in May
Xinhua| 2019-06-02 15:56:01
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U.S. equities posted sharp losses in May, with major indices registering the worst monthly performance so far this year amid escalating trade tensions, dim economic prospects and rising uncertainties.

For the last month, the Dow plunged 6.7 percent, extending a six-week losing streak. The S&P 500 lost 6.6 percent, and the Nasdaq dropped 7.9 percent.

Market volatility worsened in May after the U.S. government increased additional tariffs on 200 billion U.S. dollars' worth of Chinese imports from 10 percent to 25 percent on May 10, and threatened tariff hikes for more Chinese goods.

In response, China raised additional tariffs on a range of U.S. imports on June 1, and has vowed to "fight to the end" to safeguard not only its own rightful interests, but also the norms of international relations and the free trade system.

Analysts said that termite damage from the trade tensions is gradually building and the equity market has seen and will continue to experience ups and downs with trade news.

Citing the past two quarters as example, they noted that the trade tensions were a major contributor to the sell-off in the fourth quarter last year, and optimism about a benign resolution was a major factor in the rally in the first quarter.

"The trade war is gradually eroding U.S. business confidence and investment," said Ethan Harris, head of global economics at Bank of America Merrill Lynch, in a report on Friday.

He said a combination of improved growth expectations and tax reform boosted capital goods orders in the first half of last year, but they have been flat ever since.

As for business confidence, the seasonally adjusted IHS Markit Flash U.S. Manufacturing Purchasing Managers' Index (PMI) registered 50.6 in May, down from 52.6 in April, marking the lowest level since September 2009.

A separate report released by Bank of America Merrill Lynch on Friday said the escalating U.S.-China trade tensions pose a key risk to earnings.

The report said that the 2019 and 2020 consensus estimates have come down 0.1 percent and 0.3 percent, respectively, since the start of May, but with potential impact on economy and earnings, downward revisions may once again re-accelerate.

Nearly half of S&P 500 companies have mentioned trade or tariffs in earnings calls in recent quarters. Ten of the 11 S&P 500 industry groups retreated for the month, with technology plunging 8.9 percent.

Markets also reacted negatively to Washington's announcement of imposing a 5 percent tariff on all goods imported from Mexico, effective June 10.

Analysts said the latest rounds of trade tensions initiated by the United States will add to the uncertainty that is already hurting U.S. companies and its financial markets.

In view of the tensions in trade as well as high-tech areas, Vinay Pande, head of trading strategies at UBS Global Wealth Management's Chief Investment Office, told Xinhua that uncertainty is negatively affecting existing supply chains and future investment.

"Over time this poses the risk that the gains in corporate profit margins recorded over the last 15-20 years get eroded as costs of doing business rise," he said.
 

manqiangrexue

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Australian aluminum go home!

The more Trump is unhinged, the more he morphs into Tariffman!

Trump administration considered placing tariffs on Australia: report

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My jaw actually dropped when I read that. He must be thinking, "Australia's been just too friendly and cooperative with us; they even banned Huawei. That shows they must have some weakness they don't want us to exploit. Let's push forward and find out what's going on there!"

PS. He's going after India too. He must be thinking things have been going too smoothly between him and Modi.
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Trump removes India from special trade status
 

Tam

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My jaw actually dropped when I read that. He must be thinking, "Australia's been just too friendly and cooperative with us; they even banned Huawei. That shows they must have some weakness they don't want us to exploit. Let's push forward and find out what's going on there!"

PS. He's going after India too. He must be thinking things have been going too smoothly between him and Modi.
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Trump removes India from special trade status

With the impeachment heat on him, he needs a distraction by stroking more nationalist flames.

For the rest of the world though, this is making to look like that it is the US that is at fault at the negotiation table in the US-China talks.
 
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