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The point is US is just responding to a set of actions that China started. Since as you acknowledged that China is behaving "unfairly', what is the issue then with the US's reciprocity?
Trade War with China
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manqiangrexue
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There's no issue; I always believed that the US would do whatever it takes to contain China and China would do whatever it takes to grow out of it.
There's only discussion and commentary on how ugly the US is making itself and how its efforts are doomed to fail. You are confusing this commentary and observation with a complaint that the US should take it easy; no it shouldn't. Nobody wants to win a championship from a guy who threw the game.
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I don't. In fact, I find it verging on insanity that some people blame the Chinese government's rhetoric or policies for "turning" the US. This confrontation was written in the stars, and the only reason it didn't happen sooner was because of the US's decade-long distraction following 9/11. China's rise is the twilight of not just America's, but the West's historical epoch - I fully expect some "rage, rage against the dying of the light", as it were.
For my part, I welcome these increased tensions. Nothing unites like an enemy, and a lot of Chinese people have been drugged into a stupor and blinded to the US's true nature by the economic relationship.
Yet another example of your pattern of deceit. That article was written by Minnie Chan. You didn't include that because you know exactly what sort of reputation she has around here. China shall have the navy it needs to dominate the Indo-Pacific (and perhaps more down the road), and there's nothing America or anyone else can do to stop it.
manqiangrexue
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LOL OK Cool as long as some reporter from somewhere cited unnamed "military sources" then it must be true, right? Where's your "free thinking" against propaganda? LOL I can find you 100 articles about the Chinese navy expanding.
And once again, no link, because you didn't want people to find that it's SMCP written by Minnie Chan, who specializes in getting it wrong when it comes to the military. First you try to discredit all polls in general (LMAO), then you post Minnie Chan?? I think Deino actually has an unofficial ban on posting from her because she's so full of crap. The no link trick is not gonna work after people catch you for it one time, "free thinker!"
Trade with the US is a very small part, less than 4% if that at all, of China's economy and China's military is currently under-spending by percentage. Plus, this 4% is not going away; there is still a huge deficit that keeps accumulating every period. If this trade war does anything it will increase Chinese military spending because of the danger of decoupling.
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First of all I don't care about Minnie Chan or what you guys think of her. What is deceitful about posting an article written by Minnie Chan? Global Times articles are posted all the time. Should I label anyone who post an article by Global Times as deceitful? Think before you post.
I'm sure anyone with a half working brain would arrive at the conclusion that if anything, an intensifying trade war will only accelerate Chinese navy buildup or military buildup in general but not slowing it down....
People arm up when feel threatened, and the more threatened they feel the more armed up they will be.
If you have a farm, and there are foxes or wolves going around your farm killing your livestock, your reaction won't be "I now have less property and wealth so I'll save up by stop buying guns and bullets or even sell my gun", that's obviously stupid. Your reaction will be "I'll buy more guns and bullets and kill all these foxes and wolves so that I can build up my livestock again".
People arm up when feel threatened, and the more threatened they feel the more armed up they will be.
If you have a farm, and there are foxes or wolves going around your farm killing your livestock, your reaction won't be "I now have less property and wealth so I'll save up by stop buying guns and bullets or even sell my gun", that's obviously stupid. Your reaction will be "I'll buy more guns and bullets and kill all these foxes and wolves so that I can build up my livestock again".
Hendrik_2000
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I know who the expert mention in the Minnie Chan It is none other than Andrew Erickson who for years bad mouthing Chinese defense built up .
First they say Chinese frigate is crap citing one article in Chinese military magazine about malfunction air condition unit in the early day of pirate patrol in Somali coast
But low behold 10 years has passed and Chinese frigate has been working perfectly and now entered what 36th patrol mission
Then they say China economy cannot possible support large naval build up because the economy entered S curve
Or china will get old before it get rich
But again to their disappointment The Chinese shipyard keep churning destroyer, frigate and now even bigger ship Cruiser. And Chinese economy goes from strength to strength
So their prejudice does not panned out with reality Well they have to invent another alternative reality And now they say surely the maintenance cost will halt the naval expansion.
What all these fantasy says is they cannot live with strong China How nice would it be if China stay the sick man of Asia and the west rule the sea
First they say Chinese frigate is crap citing one article in Chinese military magazine about malfunction air condition unit in the early day of pirate patrol in Somali coast
But low behold 10 years has passed and Chinese frigate has been working perfectly and now entered what 36th patrol mission
Then they say China economy cannot possible support large naval build up because the economy entered S curve
Or china will get old before it get rich
But again to their disappointment The Chinese shipyard keep churning destroyer, frigate and now even bigger ship Cruiser. And Chinese economy goes from strength to strength
So their prejudice does not panned out with reality Well they have to invent another alternative reality And now they say surely the maintenance cost will halt the naval expansion.
What all these fantasy says is they cannot live with strong China How nice would it be if China stay the sick man of Asia and the west rule the sea
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