Trade War with China

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Hendrik_2000

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Concession is not going to solve the trade deficit with US take example of Japan In Plaza accord Japan limit herself the export of car, electronic, semiconductor beside devalue yen by 100%
It practically killing semiconductor industry in Japan giving rise to the like of Qualcomm etc Japan automobile decamp to US creating 1.5 million job and It practically killing Japanese consumer good export.And ended Japanese economic miracle and stunted their growth for 3 decades. Now 20 years latter that is not enough Trump want to impose 25% tax on Japanese car. Even with 50 billions investment
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So China should heed the treatment that the Japanese suffer under Lighthizer and co Here what the new China ambassador said about the subject. You can never satisfy a extortionist he will demand more and more concession. I feel sorry for the Japanese. I rather be poor than submitted to blackmail. Japan need to reorient their economic and foreign policy the old adage of slaving to the west will not benefit them in the long run. They are in rut for decades to come
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Last year, Rutgers University professor Thomas Prusa calculated that overall, including direct, intermediate, and spin-off jobs, JAMA Member companies support more than 1.5 million jobs in the United States. Moreover, the number of American jobs that JAMA member companies support has increased significantly since Professor Prusa conducted his first intermediate/spin-off jobs study. This is why we know that from 2011 to 2015 (the most recent year for which we have this data), the number of jobs supported by Japanese automakers has increased by 17.7%. By comparison, the total number of all (non-farm) U.S. jobs has increased by 7.5% during the same time period.

Concessions not a solution for China-US trade war: incoming Chinese ambassador to Japan
By Xie Wenting, Bai Yunyi and Li Ruohan Source:Global Times Published: 2019/5/28 23:23:41
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China, Japan to safeguard open economy, free trade: Kong
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Kong Xuanyou, incoming Chinese Ambassador to Japan, at a press event on Tuesday. Photo: Xie Wenting/GT

China is in no way the same as Japan was 30 years ago. Making compromises and concessions won't solve the problems, the incoming Chinese Ambassador to Japan Kong Xuanyou told a press event on Tuesday.

The remarks were made in response to a question on the difference between the ongoing trade disputes between China and the US and the trade disputes between the US and Japan taking place three decades ago.


Kong, who is currently vice minister at the Chinese Foreign Ministry and special representative of the Chinese government on
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affairs, said on Tuesday that the world is different from what it was 30 years ago. And China-US relations are different from Japan-US relations.

China's Foreign Ministry said Kong will assume office as the new ambassador to Japan on Thursday, replacing Cheng Yonghua, who served as ambassador for nine years.

Kong once worked as an office clerk at the Chinese consulate in Osaka from 1985 and 1989. In September 1985, Japan signed the Plaza Accord to ease the economic friction with the US and shrink Washington's budget deficit.

Kong told the media that the Plaza Accord was a huge blow to the Japanese economy, and its influence continues to this day. Back then, Japan limited its automobile, electronics and semiconductor exports.


Kong Xuanyou. Photo: website of China's Foreign Ministry

Liu Jiangyong, vice dean of the Institute of Modern International Relations at Tsinghua University, told the Global Times on Tuesday that unlike the alliance between Japan and the US, in the China-US relations, China is in an equal position with the US.

Unlike Japan, China has no need to make concessions to consolidate an alliance, nor does it need to compromise on trade issues to strive for time and give domestic companies a chance to survive trade frictions, Liu said.

China can endure the US trade pressure because the country's 1.4 billion people are providing huge consumption potential, Liu noted.

Chinese netizens also urged China not to make concessions to the US.

They said that the US likes to use the national security threat as an excuse to suppress other country's advanced industry.


Recently, an article headlined "How Japan lost the chip war 30 years ago" went viral on Chinese social media, which details how the US used this tactic to suppress the Japanese chip industry when it controlled most of the world market.

Upholding multilateralism

The Chinese diplomat also called for cooperation between China and Japan to safeguard an open world economy and free trade system, stressing that East Asia can be a role model of cooperation on multilateralism.

While China and Japan have some disputes, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said in 2018 that the two countries' relations had "fully returned to the normal track."

Abe visited China in October 2018 and signed 52 memoranda of cooperation in a wide range of areas with China, the diplomat.com reported.

Analysts said that while the US upholds protectionism and unilateralism, and starts trade disputes with other countries, China and Japan move closer as both countries uphold multilateralism.

Kong said on Tuesday that China and Japan are the "beneficiaries" of a free trade system.

"China has noticed that the Japanese government has repeatedly pledged to uphold multilateralism and the free trade system. Both sides have clear common ground on this point," said Kong.

US President Donald Trump has threatened to impose high tariffs on Japanese automakers.

"Japan will deal with China and the US based on its own interests, rather than being one-sided," said Lü Yaodong, director of the Institute of Japanese Studies at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

"Japan cares about the benefits of multilateral trade and cooperation in third-party markets under the
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Initiative," Lü said.

Lü told the Global Times that as Japan becomes an aging society where its consumption ability is comparatively limited, China's large market is important for the country.

"Ties between China and Japan also matter to regional and world peace and stability," Lü said.

Amid the escalating China-US trade disputes, most Asian countries, including Japan and South Korea, are worried that their countries' economies would be affected.

Liu noted to the Global Times that Japan and South Korea have a stronger need for an open and multilateral trade environment than China does, and it's not about picking sides, but taking action to protect their own national interests.

Liu suggested that Northeast Asian countries seek cooperation at multilateral events, such as the upcoming
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summit, because no matter what the US does, the need for multilateralism and free trade should be expressed and heard.


For Kong, an important task after assuming the ambassadorship is to prepare for the G20 summit in Osaka, where the Chinese leader is expected to participate.

"We hope the outcome of the G20 summit in Osaka will send a positive signal to the outside world, and consolidate the confidence of the international community in maintaining the free trade system," Kong told the group of media.

He expressed hope that this year's G20 summit could also touch on sustainable development and climate change.

At the Tuesday press event, Kong also responded to a question on the Korean Peninsula.

Kong told the Global Times that the peace process on the peninsula is encountering some difficulties, but that these are "temporary."

"As long as
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and the US and other related parties can adhere to dialogue and show flexibility, the current difficulties are surmountable," Kong said. He noted that China will continue to play a constructive role in this process.



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Hendrik_2000

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The German never afraid of China They don't threw fit and hisses accusing other country of IP theft or cheating. Because they invest on their technology and R&D. They take care of their employee and don't fire their employee at the first sign of trouble They value and invest in their employee. they don't take short cut . They share the value of hard work , dedication and attention of detail
Volkswagen was the first to invest large scale in china back in 70's
No wonder their product are top notch and find favor in China via Broadsword

This is vindication

German firms find US less reliable than China as trading partner after getting caught between Trump and a hard place to do business

China ranked higher than US and Britain as trading partners in a survey of 2,000 German companies by Commerzbank
Washington’s protectionist stance and the UK’s Brexit plans were major factors in the choices of respondents
Xie Yu
Updated: 10:23pm, 29 May, 2019

German companies think China is a far more reliable trading partner than the US or Great Britain, according to a survey by Commerzbank.

China was ranked third in an assessment based on political and economic conditions affecting trade, with a score of 30, led by Germany itself way out ahead on 65, and France on 39. The US, in fourth place, was a long way behind on 17 points, followed by Italy (11), Russia (10), Great Britain (8), Brazil (5) and Turkey (3), according to the results of the survey issued on Wednesday.


The US’ protectionist stance under President Trump counted against it with respondents. More than two thirds (68 per cent) of companies with a physical presence in the US, and 64 per cent of exporters to the US, feared the country’s foreign and trade policies would have a negative impact on business.

The UK’s imminent departure from the European Union was even more off-putting for trade partners, the survey found. As many as 82 per cent of firms with a branch or office location in Great Britain, and 60 per cent of exporters to the country, worried that Brexit would have a negative impact.
China or the US? Europe’s ‘impossible choice’ in the trade war

Of 115 companies considering transferring their production facilities overseas, 31 per cent said they were eyeing China, compared to 11 per cent looking at southeast Asian countries, and 9 per cent mulling a move to the US.

Commerzbank interviewed first-level managers at 2,000 German companies with an annual turnover of at least €2 million. Just over half (52 per cent) of the respondents were exporters, with most of these (77 per cent) being manufacturers.


“German companies have a bigger exposure to the Chinese market than others, given China is the biggest trading partner of Germany,” said Aidan Yao, senior emerging Asia economist at AXA Investment Managers.

“It is understandable that people feel China is more reliable, because the policies of China nowadays are more predictable than those of the US. As the trade war prolongs, more people feel China is playing a defensive role while the Trump administration seems to be the origin of trade confrontations.”

China was the biggest importer of German goods last year, worth €106.2 billion, followed by the Netherlands with €98.2 billion and France with €65.2 billion, according to Xinhua, the Chinese state news agency.

The firms surveyed said they believe German-made products are competitive and enjoy high demand overseas. They will therefore continue to pursue internationalisation plans despite rising uncertainties including the US-China trade war and the potential impact of climate change.

Still, 64 per cent of them said they feared geopolitical uncertainties may affect their overseas expansion plans. Only 20 per cent foresee German companies benefiting from trade conflicts between other countries, like the US and China, although the proportion was higher among companies which production capacity in China (29 per cent).

Half of the respondents in the survey trade directly abroad, a third trade through intermediaries. Most of them said the significance of long-term cooperation is increasing.

The respondents dismissed some challenges as not being factors in their overseas trade. They said factors like bureaucracy and higher default risks on the part of clients were controllable through support from banks and chambers of commerce.

As for problems like political uncertainties, and lack of protection for intellectual property, respondents tended to agree they could be offset by learning from successful exporters.

“Alarmism or battening down the hatches is the wrong approach. We are supporting politicians to advocate a multilateral and rules-based global trading system so that cost-effective and sustainable trading is possible at fair conditions,” said Dr Holger Bingmann, president of the Federation of German Wholesale, Foreign Trade and Services (BGA), and patron of the Commerzbank study.
This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: China seen as more reliable than the U.S.
 

phynex92

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WiFi Alliance, Bluetooh, JDEC and SD Card Association have all added Huawei back as a member. IEEE, however, has just banned Huawei. It's actually hilarious to see Trump's executive order causing the chaos of what's happening right now. This is exactly how you lose credibility and trust for a country.
 

s002wjh

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WiFi Alliance, Bluetooh, JDEC and SD Card Association have all added Huawei back as a member. IEEE, however, has just banned Huawei. It's actually hilarious to see Trump's executive order causing the chaos of what's happening right now. This is exactly how you lose credibility and trust for a country.
any link on added back as member?
 

Brumby

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Google was not banned from China. They took themselves out of China. They even operated in China for years. But they refused to comply with regulations of censorship, that is their corporate decision. That's actually Brin's decision and he had a big fight with Eric Schmidt over it. So they relocated themselves to Hong Kong but Google still kept all sorts of developmental labs in China even today.
When you place road blocks ahead it has the effect of derailing the journey. When China don't want you to operate in a country there are many mechanisms beside an out right ban e.g. administrative procedures. One of the underlying pillar of the US complain in the trade war is pertaining to how China uses a series of tool to promote unfair trade.

The trade war that we see today has long been in the works because of China's unfair trade practices. Below is a statement delivered to the WTO in May 2018 covering the major 4 areas where China is conducting unfair trade practices. For those who are in denial about examples of forced technology transfer, the statement mentions about it towards the beginning. It is 215 pages with a thousand footnotes of examples. A link is provided if you wish to read the entire 215 pages.
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Statement as delivered by Ambassador Dennis Shea
Deputy U.S. Trade Representative and U.S. Permanent Representative to the WTO
WTO General Council

Geneva, May 8, 2018

Chairman, we have now entered the realm of Alice in Wonderland. White is black. Up is down. It is amazing to watch a country that is the world’s most protectionist, mercantilist economy position itself as the self-proclaimed defender of free trade and the global trading system. The WTO must avoid falling down this rabbit hole into a fantasy world, lest it lose all credibility.
The truth is, it is China that is the unilateralist, consistently acting in ways that undermine the global system of open and fair trade. Market access barriers too numerous to mention; forced technology transfers; intellectual property theft on an unprecedented scale; indigenous innovation policies and the Made in China 2025 program; discriminatory use of technical standards; massive government subsidies that have led to chronic overcapacity in key industrial sectors; and a highly restrictive foreign investment regime – these are the issues that should be on today’s agenda. If the WTO wishes to remain relevant, it must – with urgency – confront the havoc created by China’s state capitalism.
This brings me to the Section 301 report that China has asked to be reflected on today’s agenda.
As Members are aware, the United States has issued a detailed factual report running nearly 200 pages with more than one thousand one hundred footnotes that details China’s distortive policies on technology transfer. China has not provided any evidence to refute the report’s facts or conclusions, only mere denials. The report, containing extensive evidence, is available on the USTR website.
What are these policies? There are four types of practices involving technology transfer:
First, China uses foreign ownership restrictions, such as joint venture requirements and foreign equity limitations, and various administrative review and licensing processes, to require or pressure technology transfer from foreign companies.
These foreign ownership restrictions prohibit foreign investors from operating in certain industries unless they partner with a Chinese company, and in some cases, unless the Chinese partner is the controlling shareholder.
These requirements preclude foreign companies from entering the market on their own terms, and lay the foundation for China to require or pressure the transfer of technology.
China also uses its administrative licensing and approvals processes to force technology transfer in exchange for the numerous approvals needed to establish and operate a business in China.
Vague provisions and uncertainty about the applicable rules provide Chinese authorities with wide discretion to use administrative processes to pressure technology transfer or otherwise act in furtherance of China’s trade-distorting industrial policy objectives. And so I am compelled to ask: is this unilateralism designed to benefit China at the expense of its trading partners?
Second, China’s regime of technology regulations forces U.S. companies seeking to license technologies to Chinese entities to do so on non-market-based terms that favor Chinese recipients.
China imposes a different set of rules for imported technology transfers originating from outside China, such as from foreign entities attempting to do business in China. These rules do not apply to technology transfers occurring between two domestic Chinese companies.
China’s mandatory requirements for importation of foreign technology are discriminatory and clearly more burdensome than the requirements applicable to domestic Chinese companies.
Specifically, China mandates that all indemnity risks be borne by the foreign technology transferor. Parties cannot negotiate the allocation of this risk, even if the transferee would be willing to bear the risk under the contract.
China also mandates that all improvements belong to the party making the improvement and that a foreign licensor cannot stop the Chinese licensee from making improvements to the technology. China further requires that joint ventures, mandated under Chinese law, may continue to use transferred technology after the conclusion of any licensing contract.
These restrictions tip the technology transfer regime in favor of Chinese entities before a foreign company even attempts to enter the market in China. And so I am compelled to ask: is this unilateralism designed to benefit China at the expense of its trading partners?
Third, China directs and unfairly facilitates the systematic investment in, and acquisition of, foreign companies and assets by Chinese companies to obtain cutting-edge technologies and intellectual property and generate the transfer of technology to Chinese companies.
The role of the state in directing and supporting this outbound investment strategy is pervasive, and evident at multiple levels of government – central, regional, and local.
China has devoted massive amounts of financing to encourage and facilitate outbound investment in areas it deems strategic.
To implement these policies, China employs tools such as investment approval mechanisms and a system of “encouraged” sectors to channel and support outbound investment.
These investments and acquisitions align with state objectives and policies, and are often undertaken by state-owned enterprises that are, by definition, owned and controlled by the government.
Even when undertaken by companies in which the government does not own an observable controlling stake, these transactions are frequently guided and directed by the state.
In addition, many of these transactions are funded by state-owned entities or banks, often in situations where comparable commercial financing would have been unavailable. And so I am compelled to ask: is this unilateralism designed to benefit China at the expense of its trading partners?
Fourth, China conducts and supports unauthorized intrusions into, and theft from, the computer networks of foreign companies to access their sensitive commercial information and trade secrets.
For over a decade, China has conducted and supported cyber intrusions into U.S. commercial networks, targeting confidential business information held by U.S. firms.
Through these cyber intrusions, China has gained unauthorized access to a wide range of commercially-valuable business information, including trade secrets, technical data, negotiating positions, and sensitive and proprietary internal communications.
China has used cyber-enabled theft and cyber intrusions to serve its strategic economic objectives. Documented incidents of China’s cyber intrusions against U.S. commercial entities align closely with China’s industrial policy objectives. And so I am compelled to ask: is this unilateralism designed to benefit China at the expense of its trading partners?
These four technology transfer policies harm every Member, and every industry in every Member, that relies on technology for maintaining competitiveness in world markets and increasing its people’s standard of living.
Instead of addressing its damaging and discriminatory policies, China accuses the United States of “unilateralism.”
This criticism has absolutely no validity. To the contrary, the four policies and practices I have outlined are examples of unilateralism by China, advancing its own interests at the expense of all of ours, and causing economic harm worth tens of billions of dollars annually to the United States, and multiples of that to WTO Members collectively.
The WTO system is not threatened – as China claims – where a Member takes steps to address harmful, trade distorting policies not directly covered by WTO rules.To the contrary, what does threaten the WTO is that China is asserting that the mere existence of the WTO prevents any action by any Member to address its unfair, trade-distorting practices and policies – unless those policies are currently subject to WTO dispute settlement.
If the WTO is seen as a shield protecting those Members that choose to adopt policies that can be shown to undermine the fairness and balance of the international trading system, then the WTO and the international trading system will lose all credibility and support among our citizens.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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The trade war that we see today has long been in the works because of China's unfair trade practices.
Anyone who wants to whine about China's "unfair practices" should bear one very important moral principle in mind: there is nothing more unfair in any competition than a head start. Whatever measures the US alleges China makes to protect its economy - leaving aside the rancid hypocrisy of the US utilizing those same measures - are small injustices to correct a monstrous injustice. There is no greater injustice in history than the West's early industrialization.
 

manqiangrexue

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When you place road blocks ahead it has the effect of derailing the journey. When China don't want you to operate in a country there are many mechanisms beside an out right ban e.g. administrative procedures. One of the underlying pillar of the US complain in the trade war is pertaining to how China uses a series of tool to promote unfair trade.

The trade war that we see today has long been in the works because of China's unfair trade practices. Below is a statement delivered to the WTO in May 2018 covering the major 4 areas where China is conducting unfair trade practices. For those who are in denial about examples of forced technology transfer, the statement mentions about it towards the beginning. It is 215 pages with a thousand footnotes of examples. A link is provided if you wish to read the entire 215 pages.
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Statement as delivered by Ambassador Dennis Shea
Deputy U.S. Trade Representative and U.S. Permanent Representative to the WTO
WTO General Council
Geneva, May 8, 2018
What's your point? Everybody here understands that America complains that China's "not playing fair." That doesn't make its complaints legitimate and that's also because America wants to be the only country that doesn't play fair. Obviously, China's not going to let that happen.
 

Brumby

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Anyone who wants to whine about China's "unfair practices" should bear one very important moral principle in mind: there is nothing more unfair in any competition than a head start. Whatever measures the US alleges China makes to protect its economy - leaving aside the rancid hypocrisy of the US utilizing those same measures - are small injustices to correct a monstrous injustice. There is no greater injustice in history than the West's early industrialization.
Why then the complain about US bullying China? How ironic then.
 
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