Trade War with China

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Yodello

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Time for China & Japan to move on from their difficult relationship, and develop trade & investments that would benefit both countries. The recent visit by the Chinese Foreign Minister Wang to Tokyo for talks with his Japanese counterpart was encouraging. Let's hope China and Japan (though not easy because of unpleasant historical baggage) will be able to cooperate with mutually beneficial commercial ventures. It is also encouraging to note that during the dialogue in Tokyo, the Japanese Foreign Minister expressed Japan's willingness, on a selective basis, to cooperate with the Chinese "One Belt One Road". Some 20+ years ago, several Western Academics & Professional Consultants predicted that the 21st Century would an Asian Century for development & progress. This can only happen if there is Peace in the region, & understanding between the 2 Biggest World Economies - China & Japan. The other Asian Tigers of South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan & some of the ASEAN countries and Australia can also contribute to progress of the region, and including a more amiable denuclearised North Korea.
Japan is a Banana. Low self-esteem, wanting so much to be praised and regarded as an essential or indispensable ally, licking and scraping for a little bit of recognition or praise from its Master Uncle Sam. Japan despite having been in the top rung of the Economic ladder for so long, has contributed little to nothing for the upliftment of their fellow Asians. Japan wants to be desperately accepted as a 'white' race by its masters, though it knows it will never be accepted as one of them, and it loathes itself for not having the courage to be proud of itself as an Asian Nation. China has carried the whole of Asia on its back, and I sincerely pray and hope that God continues to Bless the Chinese people to be more prosperous, powerful and also to be blessed with good leaders in the years to come.
The U.S has been blessed abundantly by providence, but it has chosen greed and power above all else. In their greed and thirst for power, the Americans have destroyed millions of lives, brought untold misery to countless families and people all over the world, laid waste to various cultures and nations. The Americans are so used to 'war' that they no longer feel the pain or anguish of others, nor do they even pretend to care anymore, just look at Syria. I hope that God will curse the American people and bring justice to the world, the sooner the better. For as long as God lives, there will surely be a judgement day, no matter how powerful you think you are. The Americans had their chance at Superpowerdom and they've wreaked havoc. A world with a balance of power is desperately needed. Japan has been piggybacking on the shoulders of the U.S, that they do not even have the guts to make a squeak against the U.S. I think it is time for Japan to choose to help usher in a prosperous Asia with the rest of the Asian nations, or continue being in bed with the warmongers.
 

manqiangrexue

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I think you have mistakenly commented that I am giving too much credit to Japan. No! My belief is that the countries in the region should cooperate for mutual benefits, & this is possible if there is Peace among countries in the region. China's Foreign Minister Mr Wang has shown he is diplomatic and pragmatic by going to Tokyo, Japan recently to discuss initially, issues related to trade and investments between the 2 countries. China being the 2nd largest world economy is obviously taking the lead in trade and investments, as it is now doing with its "Belt & Road" initiatives. Arrogance by any country will get nowhere, & China's President Xi shows a good example by supporting global free trade. Unlike President Trump who is making US protectionist/inward looking, and initiating trade wars with China and some other countries. There is a Chinese idiom/proverb "Pride goes before a fall; a haughty army will definitely lose in battle" (as happened during WW II whether Nazi Germany and former Imperial Japan. It also goes for any other Country today, for that matter).
I think my writing is quite clear and there is no mistake. It is nice to have Japan, or any other country as an ally, but nothing depends on them. As China has shown, with or without Japan, it will rise and it will bring Asia up with it. Your first statement, that Asia can only rise dependent on Japan cooperating with China, is demonstrably false; it is not arrogance, but observation that lead to that conclusion. Your current statement that the countries in a region should cooperate to bolster the region, is very true, and so is it that China has made every overture to promote that. Unfortunately, to date, Japan does not have the courage (or intellect) right its current path.
 

manqiangrexue

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It seems that china is getting anxious about its trade confrontation with the US.

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It's smart economic maneuvering. When the US makes a mistakes, alienates itself creating a void, China fills it and gains allies/business. If you expect bilateral trade with the US to drop, see if you can strike some deals in the EU to supplant American consumers. Isn't it common sense?

Anxious is when the people in your cabinet argue with each other on live TV about whether or the US can afford a trade war. Anxious is when people who sounded tough days ago deliver speeches about how negotiations will ultimately prevail to try to rescue the stock market from tanking more. Anxious is when your president says that trade wars are good an easy to win, then says the trade war was already lost, and then says there is no trade war and then pledges undying friendship to Xi Jinping.
 
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China slaps 179% charge on US sorghum imports
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China is slapping a huge import charge on a crop that it accuses American farmers of dumping on its markets.
China's Commerce Ministry said Tuesday that customs officers will charge importers a fee of about 179% on US sorghum after
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found the shipments were unfairly subsidized and damaging Chinese producers.

Sorghum is a grain that is used to feed livestock and make a liquor that's very popular with Chinese drinkers.

China is the largest buyer of American sorghum products. Its imports of the crop were worth about $960 million last year, according to Chinese customs data.

The move is likely to stoke fears of a
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. Tensions have risen sharply since the start of 2018, with both governments announcing plans to slap tariffs on major imports.

China announced that it would investigate
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back in February.

"Sorghum is a good target for a trade dispute since it would have a major financial impact on the US," Loren Puette, director at ChinaAg, an agricultural research firm, told CNN at the time.

Squeezing the sorghum trade could also hurt America's rural economy --
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-- where President Donald Trump has a lot of support.

The Commerce Ministry said its ruling was preliminary, and that the charges -- which take effect on Wednesday -- were temporary. It said it would announce a final decision in the sorghum probe at a later date.

China has already said it plans to hit US sorghum imports with tariffs of 25% as part of
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unveiled earlier this month. There is currently no timetable for the introduction of those tariffs.

The Chinese government has also
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, a much more significant crop for US farmers. China was the largest buyer of US soybeans last year, gobbling up $12.3 billion worth of imports.
 

Hendrik_2000

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It seems that china is getting anxious about its trade confrontation with the US.

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Normal hedging against trump tariff nothing unusual The European make a hill out of ant mole Trade constitute less than 18% of Chinese GDP Even if trade halt copletely it won't affect China But cost of living in western countries will sky rocket take your pick specially failed state like Portugal and Spain Enjoy
 

hkbc

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Normal hedging against trump tariff nothing unusual The European make a hill out of ant mole Trade constitute less than 18% of Chinese GDP Even if trade halt copletely it won't affect China But cost of living in western countries will sky rocket take your pick specially failed state like Portugal and Spain Enjoy

You do know that shooting your mouth off about countries that aren't actually "failed states" and when one of them doesn't even feature in the article in question won't help make your case. Just makes you sound like a know nothing with an axe to grind. But I am sure it will make the rabid everything is a western conspiracy theorists here overjoyed. Last time I checked the EU hasn't applied or even threatened to apply any tariffs against China, but has done against the US! When the goods that aren't getting bought in the US and China ends up being diverted to other markets the so called "failed states" can get them at knocked down prices.

Wholesale slandering of countries isn't how you make friends or influence people, not sure how this rubbish is any different than a typical Trump tweet, hell why not go the whole hog and just call Spain and Portugal sh*th*les! Mercifully the people who actually run China are adults and understand the need not to go into a trade war on multiple fronts hence talking to countries with shared interests, like Japan, Germany, Italy etc generally countries that trade! As for cost of living sky rocketing don't flatter yourself in Europe taxes and inflated food prices are the primary factors that squeeze income and there's a far more diversified supply chain than in the US.

Was the article a manufactured piece of nothing, yes, quoting unnamed sources and slapping 'desperation' in the text is pure click bait, but your Trumpian response deserves a put down, especially since I am very fond of Portugal!
 

Hendrik_2000

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It is futile effort trying to appease or curry favor with the European. If it has to be, China has to follow its own path. Unlike few years back the Chinese economy is less dependent on trade . More and more consumption is the driving engine of Chinese economy coupled with investment
The European won't help China because China is eating their lunch and with every year the technological gap is narrowing and China is less beholden to European interest
The idea that China need Europe is bull During 60 and 60's China was completely cut off from the world trade and they grow nicely and lay the foundation for the recent prosperity. If it not for the Mao's folly of GLF and CR Chian would be probably now one of the richest country int he world
EU ambassadors band together against Silk Road

EU ambassadors to Beijing warn that China’s Silk Road project flouts international transparency norms and is aimed at furthering Chinese interests. The paper reflects Beijing’s strategy to divide the bloc.
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Published onApril 17, 2018 12:00 pm
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No compromises. Source: DPA
Twenty-seven of the 28 national EU ambassadors to Beijing have compiled a report that sharply criticizes China’s “Silk Road” project, denouncing it as designed to hamper free trade and put Chinese companies at an advantage.

The report, seen by Handelsblatt, said the plan, unveiled in 2013, “runs counter to the EU agenda for liberalizing trade and pushes the balance of power in favor of subsidized Chinese companies.”

The unusually biting contents, which only Hungary’s ambassador refused to sign, are part of the EU’s preparations for an EU-China summit in July. The EU Commission is working on a strategy paper to forge a common EU stance on China’s prestige project to build
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to connect China by land and sea to Southeast Asia, Pakistan and Central Asia, and beyond to the Middle East, Europe and Africa. The new Silk Road will run through some 65 countries in six economic corridors.

“We shouldn’t refuse to cooperate but we should politely yet firmly state our terms,” said one high-ranking EU diplomat, adding that Chinese firms must not receive preferential treatment in the awarding of public contracts.

One German economics ministry official said the Silk Road initiative “must take account of the interests of all participants” and was still a long way off.

Chinese politicians have been banging the drum for the vast project, officially called “One Belt, One Road”. They’re mobilizing around $1 trillion in what would be the biggest international development program since the US launched the Marshall Plan after World War Two.

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“China’s ‘One Belt, One Road’ will be the new World Trade Organization – whether we like it or not,” CEO of German industrial giant Siemens, Joe Kaeser, told the World Economic Forum in January.

In their report, the ambassadors wrote that China wanted to shape globalization to suit its own interests. “At the same time the initiative is pursuing domestic political goals like the reduction of surplus capacity, the creation of new export markets and safeguarding access to raw materials,” it read.

They warned that European companies
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if China isn’t pushed into adhering to the European principles of transparency in public procurement, as well as environmental and social standards.

EU officials said China was trying to divide Europe to strengthen its hand in relations with individual member states. Countries such as
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and Greece, which both rely on Chinese investment, have in the past shown they’re
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from China.

Whenever European politicians travel to China nowadays they’re put under pressure by their hosts to sign agreements for the joint expansion of the Silk Road. “This bilateral structure leads to an unequal distribution of power which China exploits,” their report said.

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The Silk Road isn’t the only issue between the EU and China right now. Like
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, the EU is also fed up with the obstacles China has put up for foreign investors, including the forced transfer of know-how to Chinese partners.

But the bloc isn’t resorting to one-sided tariffs to push China to open its markets. Instead, it’s working in an investment agreement with China. Progress has been painfully slow, but the EU hopes the looming global trade war may speed up the talks. Negotiators from the two sides plan to meet this week.

One EU diplomat said China was very good at exploiting grey areas in WTO law on the protection of intellectual property, for example, and didn’t shy away from breaking rules. “When we point that out to our Chinese negotiating partners they always show a lot of understanding but in reality hardly anything changes,” the diplomat said.

In a speech last week, President Xi Jinping said the Silk Road project “isn’t a Chinese conspiracy as some people abroad claim.” China, he insisted, has no intention of playing “self-serving geopolitical games.”

However, China has yet to provide exact information on which foreign firms have so far directly benefited from the Chinese development program. The $40 billion Silk Road Fund was set up in 2014 to invest in countries along the road but it’s unclear who is eligible for investment, and on what terms.

A German study released in February by the government’s GTAI foreign trade and investment marketing agency and the Association of German Chambers of Commerce and Industry concluded that the Silk Road project was often focused on politically unstable countries with uncertain legal frameworks. GTAI’s managing director said that around 80 percent of projects funded by Chinese state banks had gone to Chinese companies in the past.

German government papers seen by Handelsblatt indicate that China isn’t interested in transparency when it comes to procurement. Last May, when former Economics Minister Brigitte Zypries traveled to Beijing for the
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, she and other EU officials were meant to sign a joint declaration with the Chinese government. It didn’t happen.

The Europeans wanted to change much of the agreement’s wording, saying it should guarantee “equal opportunities for all investors in transport infrastructure” as well as international standards of transparency.

The Chinese refused to incorporate any amendments.
 

Klon

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Now see this chart any country where youth unemployment is more than 25 % is FAILED state You might not like but tough luck. I am replying to Orthan he is not so nice portuegese
I have work with portugeuse and they are one of the most RASCIST people Go lick Portugese feet That exactly the problem with low self esteem chinese who worshipped any western state
Fortunately people in Beijing does not have your inferiority complex and they fire back any trade tariff with equal vigor
Youth unemployment rate in EU member states as of January 2018 (seasonally adjusted)
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The greatest failure in this failed post is that according to your own source and using your own standard, Portugal's youth unemployment is actually below 25%, so it's not a failed state. For the record, Spain and Portugal aren't failed states by any relevant definition.
This forum has rules against insulting people and countries; you should stop breaking them.
 
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