Trade War with China

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Hendrik_2000

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Josh Luo said:
Thanks for clarifying, but in this case, what are the incentives and motivations to develop a weapon platform as good as those developed by Boeing or Lockheed Martin? I am asking because products like the F-35 and F-22 are results of market-driven cut-throat competitions between defense industries. For example, when Boeing's X-32 lost to Lockheed's X-35, some engineer at Boeing risked losing their jobs for the loss. CEOs had to deal with losing everything the company put into developing the X-32. I am wondering if the same threat of potentially losing one's job for not coming up with the best design is a source of motivation behind those who designed the J-20 and other cutting edge Chinese weapon platforms. Or are there other potentially more creative non-market incentives within the PRC's military-industrial complex to ensure that engineers and other employees strive for the best?
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I don't know why you bring up the F35 and and example of American leadership in developing jet fighter when it clearly show that is not complete failure but bugle up project that is way overbudget and behind schedule.

The western approach of hiring and firing people is not necessarily the best approach If anything it contribute to confusion because of start and stop of a program and changing people does not necessarily improve the engineering skill
Engineering take a long time to master and changing people in the mid of a program is disaster because they have to start from the scratch

Yes there are other motivations beside fearing for job losses and one of them is patriotism and doing your bit to improve the country defense posture and one of the fine example is Mr Huang Xuhua
But good engineer always pride themselves for job well done add to that sense of urgency and patriotism you have potent motivation
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I did cover it extensively here is his story
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/plan-type-035-039-091-092-submarine-thread.t3746/page-299
There is youtube about his life but unfortunately in spanish

here he was honored by Xi
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This is the agreement. It's so lopsided that it's totally ridiculous. Not surprised Xi Jingping threw it out.

This is a quote from somebody on Reddit:

"And for anyone who reads them and comprehend any kind of IR would know this is fucking ridiculous.

The US demand for the Chinese to reduce 200B from trade, in order for that to happen, the Chinese government MUST take over the economy and dictate who to produce and who not to produce. At the same time, it asks the Chinese government to LOOSEN it's control of its economy, by allowing more foreign access.

Well Sherlock pick one. You can hand someone a demand that both says I want you to stop controlling your economy so my companies and make money and produce shit, AND I want you to take over your economy so you can dictate who can sell me shit.

It asks that the Chinese to remove all restriction on foreign investment, at the same time, demand that China accepts without challenge any restriction US place on Chinese acquisition investment of technology.

It asks that China accepts without challenge to any US imposed sanction if they believe, so long as the US believes it is true, that China is violating the agreement.

No great power would accept this. No minor power would accept this.

You HAVE to beat someone in a war for them to accept something so humiliating."
 
solarz

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This is the agreement. It's so lopsided that it's totally ridiculous. Not surprised Xi Jingping threw it out.

This is a quote from somebody on Reddit:

"And for anyone who reads them and comprehend any kind of IR would know this is fucking ridiculous.

The US demand for the Chinese to reduce 200B from trade, in order for that to happen, the Chinese government MUST take over the economy and dictate who to produce and who not to produce. At the same time, it asks the Chinese government to LOOSEN it's control of its economy, by allowing more foreign access.

Well Sherlock pick one. You can hand someone a demand that both says I want you to stop controlling your economy so my companies and make money and produce shit, AND I want you to take over your economy so you can dictate who can sell me shit.

It asks that the Chinese to remove all restriction on foreign investment, at the same time, demand that China accepts without challenge any restriction US place on Chinese acquisition investment of technology.

It asks that China accepts without challenge to any US imposed sanction if they believe, so long as the US believes it is true, that China is violating the agreement.

No great power would accept this. No minor power would accept this.

You HAVE to beat someone in a war for them to accept something so humiliating."
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Can you add a link to that reddit thread? I'd like to check it out.
 
Jura The idiot

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solarz said:
Can you add a link to that reddit thread? I'd like to check it out.
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googled the sentence
"The U.S. delegation is providing the below draft framework solely to help facilitate candid and constructive exchanges between the two sides."
to see it posted
The draft framework of U.S. solely on trade talks in Beijing
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note the year LOL

also
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plus a few more inaccessible links, so it's kinda folklore
 
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Jura The idiot

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now I read
China makes statement on U.S. planned measures to raise tariffs
Xinhua| 2019-05-09 00:15:44
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China on Wednesday expressed regrets over the planned measures by the United States to raise tariffs on imported Chinese products, saying escalating trade frictions is against the interests of the two peoples as well as people of the world.

"China deeply regrets this, and will be forced to take necessary countermeasures if the U.S. side puts the tariff measures into effect," says a statement released Wednesday.

The United States announced Wednesday that it would raise tariffs on 200 billion U.S. dollars worth of Chinese goods from 10 percent to 25 percent as of May 10.
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localizer

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Sucks being a multinational corp nowadays. Gotta place bets on Trump and China. Any hit on profit margins hurt retailers hard. But I guess US just subsidizes it by tax cuts and budget deficits.

Looking at the polls Trump might win again xd. GJ electoral college.
 
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Sucks being a multinational corp nowadays. Gotta place bets on Trump and China. Any hit on profit margins hurt retailers hard. But I guess US just subsidizes it by tax cuts and budget deficits.

Looking at the polls Trump might win again xd. GJ electoral college.
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Ultimately, we all know that the biggest victims currently are American importers based in the States. Trump is trying to roll back and limit China's access to advanced dual-use technologies, but he is causing a lot of collateral damages in both the U.S. and China. It is like using a dozen Vietnam-era B-52s to carpet bomb several houses scattered far apart. Or in Chinese words, using a meat cleaver to kill a chicken (杀鸡用牛刀）. Currently, CEOs of many U.S. firms hope the trade war would cause Beijing to further open the market, but I am not sure this would be the case if this trade war persists, and these U.S. firms start to get shut of the Chinese market (in other words, joining the team of victims and the opposite of what they are hoping for).
 
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Josh Luo said:
Ultimately, we all know that the biggest victims currently are American importers based in the States. Trump is trying to roll back and limit China's access to advanced dual-use technologies, but he is causing a lot of collateral damages in both the U.S. and China. It is like using a dozen Vietnam-era B-52s to carpet bomb several houses scattered far apart. Or in Chinese words, using a meat cleaver to kill a chicken (杀鸡用牛刀）. Currently, CEOs of many U.S. firms hope the trade war would cause Beijing to further open the market, but I am not sure this would be the case if this trade war persists, and these U.S. firms start to get shut of the Chinese market (in other words, joining the team of victims and the opposite of what they are hoping for).
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If they place their bets wrong they’ll lose access to the Chinese market which saved them from the last financial crisis. China: capitalism since 2008.
 
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