Trade War with China

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tidalwave

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Nobody thinks I'm BSing but everyone knows you'e BSing. Enough? Everybody's had enough of you, not me. Ironic, eh?

What you think is right nobody else agrees with. Taking advantage of them, widening the trade gap is the right thing to do. Walking away is when you don't believe you can do that. The principle is to deliver results to its people, and China does.

How about you eat your own pie, because you've not humbled anyone the entire time you've been here. You've made everyone feel so intellectually superior; just ask around.

Talking nonsense again like usual.
 

Biscuits

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That's not quite what i am talking about.

Alot of it are just your opinions.

But the facts in front of everybody are it's China now changing their policies trying to accommodate US.

US doesn't change anything. It's not hard to see who's negotiating from position of strength and who's from position of weakness.

...China has changed nothing, besides applying tariffs on US goods, which has had marginal impact on the economy

A hypothetical agreement would see China trying to buy more US stuff, which sounds like giving ground except when you realize the goods will be bought with US debt, and there isn’t enough civilian demand to make it remotely work in practice.

In exchange, US would open it’s entire market to China and try to end government sponsored unfair conduct.

The real issue now is how a deal can be made that makes sure America doesn’t just break it the moment they have sold the goods.
 

tidalwave

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In exchange, US would open it’s entire market to China and try to end government sponsored unfair conduct.

The real issue now is how a deal can be made that makes sure America doesn’t just break it the moment they have sold the goods.

Open US entire sector to China goods??
Doubt it. Huawei and ZTE telecom products are banned forever in US even with an agreement in trade.

More likely China socks and underwear, clothing won't be tariffed. That I am sure US would give it to China.
 

tidalwave

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No China cars, Semiconductor , airplane and Telecom products in US market even if there's an agreement in trade. I willing bet my entire saving account on that.

The dude says China stays in the game so to take advantage of US.

Yeah, with socks , underwear , shoes, pots, pan, toasters Maybe he means that.

I am sure that will deliver some results to the Chinese people like he claimed. So much for taking advantage of.

So much for winning.

The dude talking so much nonsense out of his arse and still believes everyone thinks he's pretty smart.
 
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Biscuits

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Open US entire sector to China goods??
Doubt it. Huawei and ZTE telecom products are banned forever in US even with an agreement in trade.

More likely China socks and underwear, clothing won't be tariffed. That I am sure US would give it to China.

Trump has lifted the possibility of allowing Huawei to enter market on US telecom if agreement could be reached. And overall lifting trade barriers, even (especially) those pre war. His words, not mine.

The issue with the repayment plan is that unless military purchases are involved, there is nothing of value US can sell. Yes, they can sell crappy stuff like socks and underwear, but no-one in China wants them. Maybe the govt can distribute some to the homeless, orphanages etc, but it will not fix the overall trade imbalance, which is caused by weakness in high technology industry.

Even if the repayment plan has mostly China buying crap, it would still be a bulk purchase (cheap) made using US debt, which China should try to get rid of anyways.
 

manqiangrexue

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No China cars, Semiconductor , airplane and Telecom products in US market even if there's an agreement in trade. I willing bet my entire saving account on that.

The dude says China stays in the game so to take advantage of US.

Yeah, with socks , underwear , shoes, pots, pan, toasters Maybe he means that.

I am sure that will deliver some results to the Chinese people like he claimed. So much for taking advantage of.

So much for winning.

The dude talking so much nonsense out of his arse and still believes everyone thinks he's pretty smart.
Well, as things are right now, the US is complaining that China is taking advantage of America and these high tech goods are not currently being sold from China to the US, so I'm probably not making this up. If China sells low tech goods to the US to create a trade surplus and uses that money to research technology, then uses that technology to beat out US tech competition in China, then out-compete US tech on the international market, that's what America fears. That's in combination with drawing US companies into the Chinese market to take their tech using new methods under the new agreements. Chinese market's not stupid; it's not there for Americans to suck blood from it for free.

The US, or any country, can always play petty and ban a competitor from its own market. That's not going to do it any good in the long run (especially if domestic companies can't capitalize by making up the tech gap to become competitive, and every indication says that China's ahead and running faster in the tech scene). That will make you end up like North Korea as the rest of the world takes every advantage from trading with each other but you limit yourself. Soon, American tech will be non-competitive with any other country's tech that supplements itself with Chinese trade. That's not America's end game or it would issue the trade ban now.

Once again, you have no solution and no answer but you call "nonsense" when you just have no rebuttal but wish to express anger. You just want to rage-quit when there is a challenge and run away from it. These are real men here to negotiate the US into another losing situation, to keep China's economy steaming, technology growing, and partly use American energy to do it. You can run all you like because you're nobody but Xi's negotiators have got the responsibility of a nation on their shoulders so they will be working for this outcome.

I don't always feel smart, especially not in my scientific profession, but when I'm talking to you, I always feel like a genius ;)
 
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localizer

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Must I remind you guys again that engaging with him is pointless and ends up in a loop until you agree to his unsubstantiated statements? I wish I could pull up all the times he’s asked for support for his statements and he simply ignores and states it again but he blocks his profile from public view.
 

localizer

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Also why don’t you pull some connections from your semiconductor expertise and ask them the current sentiments in the field?

I can’t reveal my connections since my field is narrow, but I can say that Taiwanese people doesn’t want Trump to escalate cross strait tensions. Block TSMC? Why not just handover Taiwan to China on a silver platter. TSMC is a source of pride for Taiwan since it is a representation of their technological prowess and they won’t let anyone endager it.
 
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