Trade War with China

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He said suppliers such as Applied Materials Inc (AMAT.O), Lam Research Corp (LRCX.O) and KLA-Tencor Corp (KLAC.O) were likely supplying equipment to Fujian Jinhua.

It’s pretty much impossible to build a leading-edge fab (semiconductor plant) without buying equipment from these American companies,” Gwennap said.

This quote definitely won't age well over the next decade...
 

gelgoog

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develop themselves or buy from EU or Japan possibly even might be less advanced than the Americans

This is basically what I said. Without having access to advanced machine tools for photolithography you'll just have an empty clean room. Not a chip fab.
The leading vendor worldwide is ASML which is an European company with headquarters in the Netherlands. There are also USA and Japanese machine tools manufacturers. But the Japanese machine tools are way behind the European and USA machine tools. All of them are subject to export restrictions and are forbidden to sell the latest generation tools to countries like China or Russia. Because of the Wassenaar Arrangement.

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A lot of the light sources used in these machine tools are manufactured in the USA even if the machine tool vendor is ASML for example. So the USA can pull the plug on sales of those products.
 

Hendrik_2000

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This is basically what I said. Without having access to advanced machine tools for photolithography you'll just have an empty clean room. Not a chip fab.
The leading vendor worldwide is ASML which is an European company with headquarters in the Netherlands. There are also USA and Japanese machine tools manufacturers. But the Japanese machine tools are way behind the European and USA machine tools. All of them are subject to export restrictions and are forbidden to sell the latest generation tools to countries like China or Russia. Because of the Wassenaar Arrangement.

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A lot of the light sources used in these machine tools are manufactured in the USA even if the machine tool vendor is ASML for example. So the USA can pull the plug on sales of those products.

That is not what ASML said their rep said ASML lithograph is available for China In fact they already bought one
China own domestic industry now produce Chip manufacturing equipment there migh be some delay but eventually they will build their own machine competing with the like of Applied Material, LAM research. KLA. The factory in question is completed already it was supposed to start production the end of the year. Most of the world semiconductor are still using 14 nm technology very few application use 7nm Technology Even the US does not have the 7nm technology yet They are working on it
China can make domestic semiconductor machinery for 14 nm technology

They never earn lesson from history Long time ago they embargo CNC machine 20 years latter the CNC industry in US is decimated and ironically China is now the largest CNC machinery producer for mid and low end CNC machinery

ASML 7Nm lithograph machine will be available to China via Don Juan

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ASML optimistic about litho equipment demand in China

Wu Yexing, Taipei; Willis Ke, DIGITIMES

 Tuesday 18 September 2018

Lithography tool vendor ASML is optimistic about increases in demand from China's chipmaking industry, and believes it will land orders for extreme ultraviolet (EUV) litho equipment from China customers looking to make advanced 7nm chips, according to Shen Po, president of ASML China.

The optimism comes despite the fact that United Microelectronics (UMC) has devoted more to mature processes, and Globalfoundries has put on hold its 7nm development.

Shen dismissed speculations that ASML has been prohibited from shipping litho equipment to China in accordance with the Wassenaar Arrangement on Export Controls for Conventional Arms and Dual-Use Good and Technologies. Shen said the firm has been selling litho equipment in the China market. He revealed that ASML's most advanced immersion litho machine NEXT:2000i will be available in China soon.

And no it won't be empty factory. It will be filled with these Semiconductor machinery

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ZeEa5KPul

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If the US gets it in its head to really put the squeeze China's push into advanced semiconductors and ropes its flunkies into it, then China should have a two-fold response:
  1. Push for complete technological self-reliance in the shortest possible time with absolutely zero regard for any patent or intellectual property law anywhere. Launch a cyber-blitzkrieg on every single advanced economy to steal everything that isn't nailed down.
  2. Do everything humanly possible to cripple the technology sectors of advanced economies, starting with an embargo on all rare earth exports, seizures of US assets in China, etc. In other words, total economic warfare.
 

gelgoog

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The Trump administration on Monday announced it was banning US exports to a Chinese semiconductor firm named Fujian Jinhua Integrated Circuit Company, Ltd., citing national security concerns.

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released by the US Department of Commerce (DoC), officials said the Chinese chipmaker posed "a significant risk of being or becoming involved, in activities contrary to the national security or foreign policy interests of the United States."

DoC officials are now barring US companies from selling any products to Fujian Jinhua, which was recently nearing completion of a new dynamic random access memory (DRAM) factory project.

US hardware maker Micron Technology has repeatedly accused Fujian Jinhua, and its Taiwanese partner United Microelectronics Corp (UMC), of stealing its chips designs [
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]. The three companies are currently duking it out in US and Chinese courts.

Now, the Trump administration is taking action "in light of the likely U.S.-origin technology" that "threatens the long term economic viability of U.S. suppliers of these essential components of U.S. military systems."

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The Trump administration on Monday announced it was banning US exports to a Chinese semiconductor firm named Fujian Jinhua Integrated Circuit Company, Ltd., citing national security concerns.

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released by the US Department of Commerce (DoC), officials said the Chinese chipmaker posed "a significant risk of being or becoming involved, in activities contrary to the national security or foreign policy interests of the United States."

DoC officials are now barring US companies from selling any products to Fujian Jinhua, which was recently nearing completion of a new dynamic random access memory (DRAM) factory project.

US hardware maker Micron Technology has repeatedly accused Fujian Jinhua, and its Taiwanese partner United Microelectronics Corp (UMC), of stealing its chips designs [
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]. The three companies are currently duking it out in US and Chinese courts.

Now, the Trump administration is taking action "in light of the likely U.S.-origin technology" that "threatens the long term economic viability of U.S. suppliers of these essential components of U.S. military systems."

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If they were stupid enough to be doing this with a planned reliance on American parts then they deserve this LOL. Nothing worth anything is dependent on your rival's "allowance."
 

Hendrik_2000

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Etching tool is no problem via xyz but there might be other tool that is monopolize by the US Well they better start cracking
They can buy from AMEC

AMEC Introduces the Primo Nanova® System - Company's First ICP Etch Product for Chipmakers' most Advanced Memory and Logic Device Designs
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AMEC Introduces the Primo Nanova® System - Company's First ICP Etch Product for Chipmakers' most Advanced Memory and Logic Device Designs


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. (AMEC) formally unveiled the Primo nanova® system (nanova) - the company's first inductively coupled plasma (ICP) etcher for high-volume front-end production of memory and logic ICs. The system combines proprietary ICP technology innovations and novel features to help customers achieve application imperatives like tight critical dimension (CD) uniformity and superior control. Key differentiations include a specialized symmetric chamber configuration that enables very high pumping speed, as well as a novel low-capacitive coupling coil design, and a temperature-controlled multiple-zone electrostatic chuck (ESC). With these and other unique features, the system delivers superior process performance for critical conductor and dielectric etch applications at device nodes of 5nm and below, at a cost of ownership (CoO) that is significantly lower than comparative tools.
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    AMEC’s Primo nanova® ICP etch system
    AMEC has received orders for the nanova system from multiple customers. Products have been shipped and the first tool is already in production and demonstrating very stable yield. The company is now accelerating demo requests. The system strengthens AMEC's portfolio of etch tools which includes multi-generation capacitively coupled plasma (CCP) dielectric and TSV etch product families.

    The nanova system was engineered to address today's IC manufacturing complexities where new materials, new transistor structures, double and even quadruple patterning, and other technology advancements are helping to ensure continued device shrinks. Critical success imperatives for etch in this processing environment are high uniformity and superior control across the wafer, with wide process window. The nanova system meets these technical requirements in a cost-effective single-station chamber tool.

    "The nanova system deploys today's most advanced etch technology to empower customers at the leading edge with enabling innovation and exceptional flexibility," said Dr. Tom Ni, VP and GM of AMEC's Etch Product Business Group. "The system can process diverse conductor etch applications, like STI, poly-gate, spacer, mask etching and etch-back, with industry-leading productivity and superior on-wafer performance. As an ICP-based technology, it can etch deep vertical holes, as well as shallow tapered features. It's a cost-competitive solution as well, thanks to a smaller-than-average footprint and an innovative design that reduces consumables use. We're excited to see customers already benefiting from the tool."

    The Primo nanova System: Key Enabling Attributes and Advantages

    The six-chamber tool with two load lock strippers features proprietary innovations that collectively enable higher productivity and greater throughput. They include:
    • A proprietary low-capacitive coupling coil design that enables more independent ion density and energy which is essential for higher selectivity and soft etch;
    • A symmetric chamber design featuring a multi-zone ESC and active-edge tilting control for better uniformity. AMEC engineered the design to overcome side-to-side non-uniformity which has been a persistent challenge in high-volume manufacturing;
    • Wide process window and precise localized profile control with significantly higher pumping speed when compared to similar products;
    • Innovative plasma-enhanced PVD coating, coupled with precise chamber wall temperature and superior chamber environment control for greater process stability and defect reduction.
    Dr. Ni further noted: "Feedback from customers confirms that the nanova system delivers the on-wafer performance and productivity we intended, and with compelling CoO benefits. It's a flexible tool that is equipped to process diverse applications with minimal configuration adjustments."

    Primo nanova is a trademark of Advanced Micro-Fabrication Equipment Inc.

    Advanced Micro-Fabrication Equipment Inc. (AMEC)
    AMEC is China's leading provider of advanced process technology to global manufacturers of semiconductors and solid-state lighting (SSL) products. Headquartered in Shanghai, the company is an entrenched supplier of dielectric and TSV Etch tools, helping chipmakers build devices at process nodes as low as 7nm. To date, nearly 800 AMEC process units have been positioned at 40 leading-edge semiconductor fabs across Asia. The company is also well established in Europe with AMEC MEMS tools running in production at major IDMs. In addition, with its MOCVD system, the company helps SSL manufacturers build today's most advanced LED products. To learn more about AMEC, please visit
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    SOURCE Advanced Micro-Fabrication Equipment Inc.

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