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Air Force Brat

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Alot of people are predicting China would suffer heavily in the fullscale trade war because China is holding less cards than US.
but I heard discussion and news that China is preparing in case of damages of economic losses and instability of political system (CPC), China would take the bold step of taking Taiwan back militarily. It won't be just trade war, it will get elevated,

if heavy losses from trade war causing political instability.

At that point nothing to lose.

China will roll the dice and capture Taiwan back militarily

Nah! that ain't gonna happen as long as Trump is President, and "War Mongering" here is "verboten!"

I mean "really?" very bad logic, but Xi and Trump will come to a bi-lateral agreement on trade....Trump hit the real "reset button", not the goofy yellow and red plastic job Hillary carried around in Russia, LOL!
 

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Finally the CPC acknowledges the problem of inflating one's own achievements to the point of delusion (AKA arrogance). At the same time, however, it's equally problematic to turn to cynicism simply as a reaction to arrogance.

US ‘so scared’ of China’s progress? Communist Party mouthpiece doesn’t think so

People’s Daily the latest to warn against exaggerated and unsubstantiated claims about achievements, saying ‘arrogance won’t make a country powerful’

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A commentary of People's Daily Online has criticized boastful and arrogant writing in news coverage.

According to the article, a worrying phenomenon has been observed on the internet lately. Articles with titles such as "The U.S. is frightened", "Japan is shocked" and "Europe has regretted" get a lot of hits from readers.

Some of these articles feature exaggerations or overgeneraliszations; for example, some claim that China is "world No.1" in certain fields. Some willfully accept reports by foreign media, amplifying reports with quotes such as "China is standing at the centre of the world stage" and "China is the world's number one economy".

These articles have some common features: they lack basic facts and deep thought. The articles are not more persuasive due to bragging, and they don’t help make the country a stronger one either, the commentary says, adding that the instigation of extreme sentiments and spread of prejudice could make the public arrogant.

The boastful style of writing has deviated from the correct way of news production, although it catches the readers’ attention. Statistics show that the number of people operating new media exceeded three million last year, with investment in content creation exceeding five billion yuan. In this context, self-media should exercise self-discipline. If they keep on creating hype and taking advantage of hot events, they will harm the credibility of media sources, the commentary adds.

In an all media era, objectiveness and rationality still remain the standard of good news, and media should write in a plain and pragmatic style, the commentary concludes, urging the self-media, which is fond of creating hype, to put an end to such practices.

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Opinion: Trump's weak case against China
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No one wins in a trade war. Yet US President Donald Trump seems determined to pursue one with China, which he accuses of causing America’s trade deficit, violating World Trade Organization (WTO) rules, and using unfair practices to acquire foreign technology.

While most economists marvel at Trump’s ignorance of how trade balances work, many broadly agree with his charges regarding intellectual property (IP). But the evidence supporting these claims is also weak, at best.

The so-called Section 301 trade investigation launched by Trump’s administration last year accused China of acquiring foreign technologies using discriminatory licensing restrictions, unfair technology-transfer agreements, targeted outbound investment, unauthorized intrusions into US commercial computer networks, and cyber-enabled IP theft.

“The weight of the evidence,” the report concludes, shows that China uses foreign-ownership restrictions to force US companies to provide their technologies to Chinese entities.

But the case is not nearly as strong as the report makes it out to be. For starters, because Chinese firms are not starved for capital – thanks to China’s chronic savings glut – gaining access to foreign technologies is their main motivation for trying to attract direct investment from abroad. Under WTO rules, they are free to seek technology transfer from their foreign partners on a commercial and voluntary basis.

Fortunately for China, foreign firms have been more than willing to enter its market, not least because of its preferential treatment of direct investment. In fact, for decades, foreign and domestic firms alike have willingly accepted China’s “market access for technology” strategy, which required foreign investors to “import” advanced technology in exchange for entering the Chinese market.

Whatever downside they may see to this approach, the fact remains that foreign enterprises – including completely foreign-owned companies and foreign partners of Chinese firms – have benefited greatly from their investments in China. A 2006 World Bank report put the average rate of return for foreign multinationals in China at 22 percent.

According to a report compiled by the Conference Board of World Enterprises, the average rate of return on capital for American multinationals in China in 2008 was 33 percent.

That said, the earnings before interest and taxes of foreign enterprises in China had been worsening since 2009, but in 2017 the situation improved. This is an issue that the Chinese government must take seriously. In any case, no one can claim that foreign companies were forced to operate in the Chinese market.

The argument that US firms have been compelled to transfer their technology to China thus lacks significance.

In fact, that argument was never backed by persuasive evidence. While the office of the US Trade Representative (USTR), which compiled the Section 301 report, claims to have conducted many surveys, all respondents are anonymous, and their assertions are little more than hearsay – nothing that would be admissible in a court of law.

And, even if regarded as true, such claims would not definitively prove that forcing foreign enterprises to transfer their technology is prevalent in China.

The Section 301 report’s accusations regarding outbound investment – namely, that China uses “government capital and highly opaque investor networks to facilitate high-tech acquisitions abroad” – are similarly flimsy. The USTR assumes that China’s government not only has a clearly defined investment strategy, but also that an army of obedient firms is willingly carrying it out.

Yet the American Enterprise Institute reports that from 2005 to 2016, Chinese companies have made just 202 investments, including mergers and acquisitions, in the US, only 16 of which – totaling 21 billion US dollars – were in technology sectors. Chinese investors spent far more than that – 94 billion US dollars – on real estate in the US from 2013 to 2016.

The sectoral distribution of Chinese firms’ outward investment indicates that there is not even an effective market mechanism at work driving Chinese firms to invest in a rational way. Instead, companies are making independent – and often irrational – investment decisions, which sometimes lead to large losses.

The final issue raised by the Section 301 report relates to the cyber-enabled theft of IP and sensitive commercial information, which the US claims is carried out by the Chinese government. The report acknowledges that since 2015 – when China and the US agreed that neither would “conduct or knowingly support cyber-enabled theft of intellectual property, including trade secrets or other confidential business information for commercial advantage” – the number of detected incidents of Chinese cyber-espionage has declined.

Yet some US officials insist that this likely reflects a shift toward more centralized, practiced, and sophisticated attacks by a smaller number of actors.

The truth is that China has been making steady progress in its protection of property rights. As Nicholas Lardy of the Peterson Institute of International Economics points out, “China’s payments of licensing fees and royalties for the use of foreign technology have soared in recent years, reaching almost 30 billion US dollars last year, nearly a four-fold increase over the last decade.”

In fact, Lardy continues, “China probably ranks second globally in the magnitude of licensing fees paid for technology used within national borders.”

The Section 301 report was, it seems clear, based on rumor, imagination, and half-truths. The obvious question is how the Trump administration can base a policy decision as consequential as trade tariffs – which could trigger a catastrophic trade war – on such weak evidence. The obvious answer is that the report was intended to justify, rather than inform, the policy.

This is not to say that the issues raised by the Section 301 report are mere fantasy, or that China’s fulfillment of its WTO commitments has been impeccable. On the contrary, China has plenty of room to improve its WTO compliance, especially when it comes to opening up its financial-services sector and strengthening IP protections.

But trade-related issues should be addressed within the WTO framework, with the US using that body’s resolution mechanisms to address its grievances. In lieu of such an approach by the Trump administration, China should consider launching a new round of WTO negotiations in cooperation with Australia, Canada, the European Union, Japan, Mexico, and New Zealand. Multilateralism should be preserved, with or without the US.

Trump’s trade war will not succeed in driving China to abandon its aspiration to catch up to the advanced economies. China is ready to fight a war of attrition. Unfortunately, both sides – as well as the rest of the world – will incur heavy losses in the process.
 

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A little of topic but I think folks hers may find it interesting. I heard on radio that Australia has a state that produces excess solar power. So much so, that the state now suffers brown outs caused by excessive solar power generated by private homes who are putting their excess power back into the state grid.
 

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Finally the CPC acknowledges the problem of inflating one's own achievements to the point of delusion (AKA arrogance). At the same time, however, it's equally problematic to turn to cynicism simply as a reaction to arrogance.

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The problem with non-Chinese trying to analyze articles that were written by Chinese for Chinese, is that they lack context.

You guys are probably imagining Chinese media reporting, NK-style, on various Chinese achievements and exaggerating them to inflate Chinese ego.

Well no. Chinese mainstream media does none of that, and if they do on occasion, they get called out pretty quickly.

What the People's Daily editorial is referring to are so-called "news" articles that get passed around on Chinese social media. AKA Chinese fake news. Open up a WeChat, and check out its "top stories" feature, and you'll quickly see such articles.

So no, People's Daily is not calling out Chinese MSM. It's calling out the profileration of fake news on Chinese social media. In fact, the Chinese government has been campaigning against such falsehoods for years.
 

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Micron shares tumble after rival says a Chinese court banned chip sales
  • Micron's Taiwanese rival says the American chipmaker has been issued a temporary sales ban in China.
  • Micron says it hasn't been served with a preliminary injunction and will not comment until it has received and reviewed any court documents.
  • It's the latest in the ongoing trade secrets dispute between United Microelectronic Corporation and Micron.
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shares fell as much as 8 percent during regular trading on Tuesday after Taiwanese rival United Microelectronic Corporation (UMC) released a statement claiming a Chinese court had temporarily banned sales of Micron chips in China.

Micron closed down 5.5 percent on the day.


Micron said it has not been served with an injunction and would not comment further until it has received and reviewed court documentation.


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UMC's statement said the Fuzhou Intermediate People's Court of the People's Republic of China had issued a preliminary injunction, preventing Micron from selling 26 products, including certain solid-state hard drives and memory sticks, in China.

"UMC is pleased with today's decision. UMC invests heavily in its intellectual property and aggressively pursues any company that infringes UMC's patents," UMC president Jason Wang said in a statement.

The Taiwanese chipmaker sought the sales ban, alleging that Micron violated its patent rights in China. UMC and Micron have gone back and forth in the courts, alleging various intellectual property violations. Micron has
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to help China pursue its own semiconductor ambitions.
 

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I pondered what my past respected "teachers" had taught me when examining difficult situations, similar to current events like Trade Wars. Use the holistic approach (from above) when examining problems. Westerners generally speaking examine (at ground level) each point and try to "solve", or impatiently "push" their proposal/s vigorously, which often failed in the process. Much better to try the holistic approach, i.e. a "helicopter" view when engaging the issue/s being discussed/negotiated; and then (descend the "helicopter") to look at problem/s and seek mutually agreeable solutions. . This is one of the major concepts to solve the current disastrous Trade Wars.
 

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Micron shares tumble after rival says a Chinese court banned chip sales
  • Micron's Taiwanese rival says the American chipmaker has been issued a temporary sales ban in China.
  • Micron says it hasn't been served with a preliminary injunction and will not comment until it has received and reviewed any court documents.
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shares fell as much as 8 percent during regular trading on Tuesday after Taiwanese rival United Microelectronic Corporation (UMC) released a statement claiming a Chinese court had temporarily banned sales of Micron chips in China.

Micron closed down 5.5 percent on the day.


Micron said it has not been served with an injunction and would not comment further until it has received and reviewed court documentation.


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UMC's statement said the Fuzhou Intermediate People's Court of the People's Republic of China had issued a preliminary injunction, preventing Micron from selling 26 products, including certain solid-state hard drives and memory sticks, in China.

"UMC is pleased with today's decision. UMC invests heavily in its intellectual property and aggressively pursues any company that infringes UMC's patents," UMC president Jason Wang said in a statement.

The Taiwanese chipmaker sought the sales ban, alleging that Micron violated its patent rights in China. UMC and Micron have gone back and forth in the courts, alleging various intellectual property violations. Micron has
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to help China pursue its own semiconductor ambitions.
Perfect retaliation, perfect timing. It looks more and more like a game of chicken, blood-letting, who-can-sustain-the-pain.

From a consumer and engineer's perspective, I don't want Micron to be killed in the trade war crossfire, neither does ZTE deserve to die. But if Trump kills ZTE, I am glad to kill Micron, or Qualcomm and more.

According to my gathering, Micron got its 50% revenue from China in 2017 worth 10.4 billion USD. That does make a good bleed.
 

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Looks like the Chinese are not going to "fire the first shot" when it comes to the tariffs.
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China denies it will be first to impose tariffs on $34bn of US goods


Both sides made 6 July tariff threat but 12-hour time difference gives Chinese edge

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Wed 4 Jul 2018 07.25 EDTFirst published on Wed 4 Jul 2018 05.37 EDT
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There had been hopes that the US and China might step away from the measures. Photograph: Johannes Eisele/AFP/Getty Images
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has denied it will fire the opening salvo in an escalating trade dispute with the US, insisting that it would not bring in 25% tariffs on $34bn (£26bn) of American goods before a move from Washington.

Both sides have threatened to impose similarly sized tariffs on 6 July, but because of the 12-hour time difference, it was thought the Chinese tariffs on US imports ranging from soybean to stainless steel pipes could take effect earlier.

However, China’s finance ministry issued a statement on Wednesday saying that it would not be the first to levy tariffs.

“The Chinese government’s position has been stated many times. We absolutely will not fire the first shot, and will not implement tariff measures ahead of the United States doing so.”
 
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