Tom Clancy's "The Bear and the Dragon"

Another thing I didn't like about that book was the fact that the Russian T-55's were slaughtering the Chinese T-80's. Now, back in 1994 I think China had a very good number of Type 96 tanks. Why weren't those tanks even mentioned in the book? On top of that, how can a 105 mm shell pierce through the armor of a T-80? Also, won't the T-80 have much more advanced fire control systems than the T-55?

There was another part of the book where it mentioned how a squadron of Apache helicopters destroyed an entire regiment of Chinese tanks. What I would like to know is how those choppers even got past the thick low level air defense system employed by the PLA. That book has so many holes in it that it isn't even funny. I haven't read his non-ficition books so I can't comment on those. Are they any good?

Suposedly they used the UAV/GPS to find the AA guns, knocked it out with arties and then sent in the Apache's. Also, the T-98 was mentioned but it wasn't produced in enough numbers that had China invaded Russia wouldn't of had many of them.

"For those who say my work is unrealistic, last week I read a news clipping that told the story of an unauthorized PRC pregnancy. The attempt at late abortion was made, but, remarkably, it failed, and the kid survived. So, what happened? Even worse than in B&D, the newborn was carried out to a rice paddy and drowned. I hope those bastards like it in hell. And today, the PRC is slamming catholics. Well, okay, guys, do your worst. The Roman Empire tried that, too. Guess who won?

Commie bastards are commie bastards, and I find it curious that the American media extends them such solicitude. Would the same be true of a reborn Hitler? I wonder. After all, Poland was never ours to lose, and the intelligentia of 1940 America simply refused to accept the information on what Hitler was doing to European Jews. Not that they were anti-semetic, of course. But now we've rebounded too far the other way. But that's just my opinion, and Matt Lauer points out that I am too conservative. It's my education (catholic, including eight years of Jesuits) that tells me that principles are things we apply evenhandedly to everybody, lest they be mistaken for mere ideology or expediency. I suppose that's a conservative value, too. Pity. Principles are not supposed to be overly political, are they? "

This is what he said on his board. I wonder if the guy is still sane.

Well I haven't read the Bear and the Dragon but I have read (It was so bad i couldn't finish it!) another one of his earlier books SSN, The story line in that was a power struggle within the CCP results in hardliners taking over and Li Peng becomes president. He then orders an invaision of the Spratly Islands and for some reason the US even though they haven't tried to claim the islands, decide to declare war on the PRC.

The book follows the captain of an american Los Angeles class SSN which seems single handedly to destroy the whole of the PLAN which in the book has recieved significant help fron the Russians in the form of Alfa and Akula subs however this all seems to be a bit far fetched to me!

Yes I also read somewhere that he has worked with the CIA, I wonder did they consult with Clancy about the military capabilites of Saddams military before the 2nd Gulf war

Yeah, SSN was such a horrible book. Aparently ONE US nuke sub wipes out much of the PLAN!!! :rofl:

Soyuz said:

Well I haven't read the Bear and the Dragon but I have read (It was so bad i couldn't finish it!) another one of his earlier books SSN, The story line in that was a power struggle within the CCP results in hardliners taking over and Li Peng becomes president. He then orders an invaision of the Spratly Islands and for some reason the US even though they haven't tried to claim the islands, decide to declare war on the PRC.
The book follows the captain of an american Los Angeles class SSN which seems single handedly to destroy the whole of the PLAN which in the book has recieved significant help fron the Russians in the form of Alfa and Akula subs however this all seems to be a bit far fetched to me!
Yes I also read somewhere that he has worked with the CIA, I wonder did they consult with Clancy about the military capabilites of Saddams military before the 2nd Gulf war

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a single S-class subwill be more then enough to destory the poor LA
akula= inprove S-class built with steel to reduce cost

also at the time the US have no weapon capable of catching the ALFA

that book is truely pathetic ,the only reason clancy does it is for money
his ear;ierbooks are somewhat OK

I'm reading this book now, and basically this is why it sucks so bad

1. The President, CIA officers and state department officals don't swear every other word.

2. It has no connection to reality whatsover.

3. Tom Clancy is a dirty old man. (If you've read the book you know what I'm talking about. :spam

4. Tom Clancy uses it to show what damned dirty commie baby-killing freedom hating evil bastards they all are (being sarcastic). The whole book shows what a racist bigot Tom Clancy is. ( He repeatedly calls the Chinese barbarians and heathens:rofl: HEathens! I didn't even know anyone had said that word since 1652:rofl: )

C) The USAF knocked out 6 bridges in the Harbin Wei railroad network to decapitate the PLA's supplylines in Russia, believeable if it weren't for the fact that the PLA's AA and FLAK defences should've been more then enough to knock the fighter bombers, China's radar systems are not Iraq's.

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This was done with F-117s, if you remember. F-117s were featured prominently in the book. For some reason, neither the F-22 nor F-35 was even given mention.

Another unbelievable part is how the Russians were able to defeat superior numbers of Chinese tanks. Oh, and I love the part where 4 F-16s destroy EXACTLY 786 Chinese tanks.

My favorite part of the book is when the American guy told the Chinese guy his penis was larger. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Then the Chinese leader told his diplomat to say some very offensive thing to the American guy. It was hilarious. :rofl: :rofl:

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This was done with F-117s, if you remember. F-117s were featured prominently in the book. For some reason, neither the F-22 nor F-35 was even given mention.

Another unbelievable part is how the Russians were able to defeat superior numbers of Chinese tanks. Oh, and I love the part where 4 F-16s destroy EXACTLY 786 Chinese tanks.

My favorite part of the book is when the American guy told the Chinese guy his penis was larger.

Then the Chinese leader told his diplomat to say some very offensive thing to the American guy. It was hilarious.

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:roll: :roll:

Tom Clancy is just a masturbatory fantasy for jingoistic racists.

"Oh those inscrutable slanty-eyed gooks"

This book is as about as realistic as a website i once read claiming, that based on the shape of their geography, Russia was a demonic bear, with Belarus as its horn, and that China was a satanic dragon, spewing the fiery apocalypse of SARS from its mouth of Hong Kong.

It doesn't really have anything to do with this book, but i thought i'd mention it to add entertainment value to an already entertaining thread.

Seriously i've met people like Clancy, and believe me these people are ignorant, paranoid, racist and quick to anger, i'd actually like to invite mr. Clancy onto this forum, let's see how far his 'knowledge' of military affairs get him here:nana:

People like this should be ignored, they're both moronic and igsinificant, there are many peopel like Clancy, but Clancy was simply lucky enough to get a break in his career, if someone like him can become so rich and famous, it says a lot of sad things about the US, best to ignore these people, sure you can humiliate them on the internet, but short of that there's no way to really get them to change their minds, they are best ignored, less their stupidity actually infect us like the disease they so are.

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