Tom Clancy's "The Bear and the Dragon"

The best laugh I have had in years.

Also released under the title - "How to plan and fight a War thet best suits the capabilties and training of your enemy, without utilising any if your own Advantages". - snappy huh

The funniest part is that within months of its release Russia and China signed the Shanghia Co-operation Treaty. Says it all really does'nt it.

I keep my copy in the Bathroom, its strong, absorbant, and very useful in an emergency.

Tom Clancy writes books to make money, it’s his job. The book is written for the American public first and any other country/person second, if at all. His books have to be pro American and show America winning other wise they would not sell in America and he would not be good at his job, which after all pays his bills.
If there was an author in another country and he wanted to make money the author would have the country that it is marketed in winning or he would not sell books- or he might have one best seller and thats it. Do you think Americas would buy a book that the main story line had them getting there ass kicked in a future war? Would a book that showed China getting its ass kicked (and I am not saying that is what would happen or not happen) in a future war be a best seller in China? Of course not.
Tom Clancy books = bed time reading, not a future military insight.

but for us "ethusiasts", that material isn't even fit for bed time. Reading childish and sometimes completely stooooooopid lines just doesn't "get the juices flowing" like, say, a debat on WS-10A's implication towards Chinese military aviation.

Well first of all, as an author or at least wannabeauthor of myself I have to raise hat to everyone who have publihsed something, inspite what BS the contest is...writing a book, even a lousy one is always ernoumous task...

but for us "ethusiasts", that material isn't even fit for bed time. Reading childish and sometimes completely stooooooopid lines just doesn't "get the juices flowing" like, say, a debat on WS-10A's implication towards Chinese military aviation.

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but like it has been said, its entertaiment for dedicated audience, we 'enthuisthiastics' are always outcluded in these instances. Imagine yourself a book, focusing on getting the facts rigth...idea of entertaiment, nevertheless art isent to be always as accurate as possible.

I have finished 6 of his book, Hell.

In one of his book you can tell he really hate any one Asian.

In the book "without remorse". One russian and american officer in vietnam have reached in "conclution" that (I am quoting from the book) "They are just little evil yellow people, but there is a problem, there are so many of them."

That is from the book, you can check it by reading it.

I know he is just trying to sell some book, to feed his family. but that quote is just a little to much.

His best book i think is "the hunt for red october".

petty officer1 said:

The sad truth is the books is based on china in1960s.

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The book was originally published in 2000, and received very harsh reviews:


Quote from one reviewer from Holland:
Please Donate to the "Give Clancy a holiday in China fund", December 16, 2004
Reviewer: Geert van Roosmalen "Geert" (The Netherlands) - See all my reviews
I've read a lot of Tom Clancy in my life but this is an absolute low.

You would think with all the millions he's made he could at least afford an $1000 plane ticket to China. Even if he had just gone for one weekend he would have seen that his portrayal of China is complete rubbish. Not only is it inaccurate it's downright terrible. The only Mao suits you will find in China these days are on Mao's corpse and in fancy dress stores.
Laughable was the seduction of the Chinese secretary, Having western food for the first time after all that "Chinese garbage". It makes me wonder how Clancy feels about this 5th column of slant-eyes (with U.S. nationality!) living in his own country peddling their 'garbage' to god-fearing honest wasps.

I'm from Holland and I cant wait to see how Tom Clancy would portray my country in his next novel. Probably we would be called cheeseheads or something suitably insulting every two sentences. We would obviously all live in windmills and walk around in clogs. In fact we wouldn't even be able to walk because we would be continuosly sticking our fingers in holes in dikes to stop our country flooding. We would invade some country that has been our ally for more than half a century (eg. UK) for some ridiculous reason (Dutch businessmen want to monopolize world cheese production). Finally our totally incompetent airforce/navy (whatever) would be destroyed by a single US plane: Final result: Cheeseheads, 100000 casualties. USA, 0 casualties. US (incompetent)allies, 200 casualties (to keep it realistic). Of course this would happen in a book of not less than 3000 pages and include JR telling us that he really really really dosn't like being POTUS every 2 or 3 pages.

Keep it up Clancy!! You're sliding, but rock bottom is still two or three books away.

Wow, just wow I'm in awe of that review.

But seriously, the entire premace of the book is that Ming gets seduced and she willingly installs software in a computer that she has no idea what it does and this gives the CIA everything about what goes on in the Politburo, garbage, complete garbage I know its fiction but this isn't even remotely possible.

And why the heck was the PLAN in port this entire time? They should've noticed the aircarrier battle group approching their waters and should've had their fleet sortieing to see if they can do ANYTHING not waiting in port to die.

Those bombers obliterating the lead armoured elements wouldn't happen in reallife because in actuallity the PLAAF would've been active enough to either A) send modified ICBM's with conventional payload to obliterate the US airfields in Siberia and B) send in their own planes to destroy as many smart bombers as possible before they get even close enough to bomb the tanks.

Also as I said China had UAV's since 1994, they would've known that the US and Russians were making a stand at the gold mines and the US mech units wouldn't have been able to pierce their lines the PLA would've KNOWN.

And then Peng got shot, I liked Peng. And I knew he'ld get shot too, because of all of Clancy's damn foreshadowing. I think he deliberately named him Peng after a famous PLA general who was a brilliant general but fell in some political hard times, I think Clancy named this character Peng to make a mockery of the actual Peng.

Aerodriver said:

Tom Clancy writes books to make money, it’s his job. The book is written for the American public first and any other country/person second, if at all. His books have to be pro American and show America winning other wise they would not sell in America and he would not be good at his job, which after all pays his bills.
If there was an author in another country and he wanted to make money the author would have the country that it is marketed in winning or he would not sell books- or he might have one best seller and thats it. Do you think Americas would buy a book that the main story line had them getting there ass kicked in a future war? Would a book that showed China getting its ass kicked (and I am not saying that is what would happen or not happen) in a future war be a best seller in China? Of course not.
Tom Clancy books = bed time reading, not a future military insight.

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But it says something when those in the Pentagon and in Congress never began to seriously think of the scenario of China invading Siberia for its resources until Clancy's book was released. When The Hunt for Red October came out, Clancy himself talked about how people in Congress would ask him how did he get information on the caterpillar drive when no US agency had any intelligence on it. "No intelligence" is right! What does it say when those in the US Congress can't tell the difference between reality and fiction?

I think that Tom Clancy has advised the pentagon and congress is given m uch more credit than reality. It says it inside his front cover because it will enable him to sell more books because people in america will think WOW, i must buy this book if he has advised the pentagon. It is his marketing team that get people to talk about his so called advice, and i am guessing the pentagon does not publish its best sources of intelligence.
Also if i was american I would not expect every person in congress to know about what its intelligence agencies know. You do not need to know about caterpillar tracks if you were voted into office because of (for example) your education reforms.
Now the matter of if people in US Congress can tell the difference between reality and fiction.........well thats a whole other topic ;-)

Here ya go, wanna take anger on him?

His non-fiction books about the US armed forces is correct...
I would say he should just stick to what he knows instead of complete BS