To those who serve/served in the armed forces: WHAT DO YOU ENVY ABOUT THE PLA?

well, the scenerio is possible, but i yet i dont see that happening. Start with, USN cant simply 'crush' the chinese navy, especially if the chinese fleet hide within the aircover near the mainland. Plus the chinese airforce is a huge fleet of airplanes, many of them are obselete but there are still so many of them.

I think we should look at the Korean War, the Disparity is much greater back in those days between the two countries, plus the fact that Chinese were fighting away in a foreign land. Even back then the PLA put up enough of a fight to force a truce, i dont see any reason why today they couldnt achieve a better results, especially if they are fighting on the home front.

plus, i still dont agree with you about infantry training, could you elaborate more on exactly what a US soldier knows how to do that a chinese soldier doesnt. I never served in the military so please excuse my ignorance.

aquilis182 said:

Let's analyze your argument for a moment. The PLA have significant more soldiers than U.S. Army (Im not trying to lie or something) but U.S. Army have far better trained infantry (chek

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, half of the PLA are conscript (in my point a soldier cannot be as effective if they are force to do something than they don't even want to do, back in the 60' US used to conscrit soldiers too and they fight just because they have to and if they let them leave the forces they do so without thinking twice. off course im not cuestioning PLA bravery in battle cause they are really brave... remember The Korean war... they have guts I'll give you that) The PLA have over 20 years without a major conflict (that may result in a lot of green soldiers, I mean with no combat experience what so ever) let face than the PLA still usin the Type 56 assault riffle (pretty good on reliability and firepower, but lacks in acuracy and firerate) U.S. infantry ... the backbone riffle still the M162A2 (a way more acurate than almost any assault riffle on the world including the Type 56., but to be honest... in terms of reliability it's a pain in the azz... back in Irak I used to clean it 5 to 6 times to make the damn think work properly but in overrall terms still better than any riffle on the world) we are done with the training an the basic assault riffle, now let's talk about now the enquipment shall we? The US spend $80 billions in the U.S. army alone and China spend around $65.5 billions for their 4 armed forces together. Now we can take in consideration than the PLA have around 2.5 millions of soldiers and U.S. Army bearly have 1.9 million. but still have more resourses so maybe the majority of U.S. soldiers will have night vision, body armor, first aid enquipment and extra ammo. And the PLA will face some trouble trying to enquip must of their soldiers cause the have more than USA but have less money than USA. And final The U.S. Army may fight the PLA when The PLAAF and The PLAN where crushed by the USN and the USAF, The USAF and USN ussing air strikes, SLBM, warship artillery, and many more weapons will reduce the PLA considerably, When the PLA has been considerable reduced, hunger and desoriented, They will face The Elite U.S. Marine Corps far better trained than even the U.S. Army, when they take they done exterminating the PLA and PLA marines (I read It's only about 5,000 soldiers at

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) The U.S. Army will arive by sea, air and land and will face even more deterioated PLA, Oviously the U.S. army will have more soldiers than the PLA cause the previous attacks by other U.S. forces not to mention they will be fresh, armed, feeded and eager to battle.
If we take our prides asides and see the things in an analyst way we gonna know that victory for China's forces over th U.S. Forces it's almost impossible... at least for today. In 20 to 30 yrs can be different.

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You know,military spending doesn
t result in better soldiers, because all those money figures are usually if not always made extra big for various reasons mostly for legitamising corruption between politicians and various companies.
Secondly how are yuo going to starve the PLA when you are fighting them in their home soil.
Thirdly, infrantry skills and tactics etc can always be passed on from one generation to the next. You just need to practise often and it will be good enough.
US Marines are not really that elite...... from my personal experience.. i like the US army infantryman better.
Please enlighten me on this area for those who are more familiar with naval and air warfare...... the US will not really wanna engage the PLAN near her coast because it is just a deadly place with all those missles. Also USAF will not really wanna engage the PLAAF too close to China because of all of the logistic and fire support the PLAAF can get. In addition China is a big place, even if a US plane makes it into China it will have an extremely hard time trying to get out of there... if it survives.

That is just all the simple stuff.. i will not go on with the politcal stuff because that will just take pages.

Oh yes.... the USA will not want to fight another war because they have not enough money.

And the USA is going to lose militarily in Iraq..... unfortunately

Mr_C said:

You know,military spending doesn
t result in better soldiers, because all those money figures are usually if not always made extra big for various reasons mostly for legitamising corruption between politicians and various companies.
Secondly how are yuo going to starve the PLA when you are fighting them in their home soil.
Thirdly, infrantry skills and tactics etc can always be passed on from one generation to the next. You just need to practise often and it will be good enough.
US Marines are not really that elite...... from my personal experience.. i like the US army infantryman better.
Please enlighten me on this area for those who are more familiar with naval and air warfare...... the US will not really wanna engage the PLAN near her coast because it is just a deadly place with all those missles. Also USAF will not really wanna engage the PLAAF too close to China because of all of the logistic and fire support the PLAAF can get. In addition China is a big place, even if a US plane makes it into China it will have an extremely hard time trying to get out of there... if it survives.

That is just all the simple stuff.. i will not go on with the politcal stuff because that will just take pages.

Oh yes.... the USA will not want to fight another war because they have not enough money.

And the USA is going to lose militarily in Iraq..... unfortunately

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First of all my friend If you want to talk about corruption in the military I suggest you to go to and find out how the a lot of officer of the PLA oget their ranks. Second The PLAAF have around 6000 air crafts (must of them J-6 and J-7, that means chinese versions of migs-19s mig-21s with very outdated avionics and weapons) plus the Chinese Pilots train only 140 to 150 per year with outdated tactics and the US Air Force have a little over 4000 aircrafst must of them F-15s and F-16s (the F-16s is regarded as undefeated in air-to-air combat with 174 victories and 0 defeats must of them flying by israeli pilots) off course even with that record doesn't mean are the best ait-to-air jetfighters. They never face SU-37s Terminators or SU-35 Super Flankers. F-15s are better in air to air combat than the F-16s but The Indian Air forces using SU-35s umiliate the F-15s shooting down 9 F-15s every single SU-35 in the Mock air combat exercice India Coupe' 04. The American Pilots train over 300 hrs per year thats the double of the chinese pilots get for training, not to mention that a lot of them have combat experience. China lacks of AWAKs planes will make them fight agaisnt something that they will not be able to detect until its too late. China get a fleet of russian SU-27KKs and SU-30s and make their own J-10 Jetfighter (They are better than the American F-15s and F-16s but they have a limited number) beside the American F-22 Raptor outperforms in overrall terms all the other aircrafts of the world plus posses a radar 20 times more powerfull than the Su-27s, boast of trhust vectoring (like the Russian SU-37 Terminator) giving them extremly good maneuverability, plus are stealth and can achive mach 1 without the uses of his afterburners. Off course they can beat the J-10s and the Russian maded SU-27 and SU-30s beside China have less than 100 modern aircrafts (including J-10s and SU-27s and 30s) Use have in service scince 2004 over 300 F-22 (a single F-22 beat 8 F-15s without been detected in mock aerial combats). Plus the B-2 Spirits cannot be detected by radar and not even by infrared sensors (to be honest with you I have no idea how but is like that) can deliver a lot of boms without the need of air combat punishing very bad the PLA, US forces may strike supplys and weapons depots may cripple the capabilities of PLA plus a lot of them will be exterminate by the bombing. Thats why the PLA can strave to death in their oun soil. The naval warfare... interesting your point... I have to admit than China is in Possesion of the Russian SS-N Sunburn regarded as the best antiship missile in the world, China naval force Its most a submarine force but only two of them are nuclear powered. China's Destroyers and frigates aren't as advance as USN plus they lack of Aircraft carriers. They may cause serious casualties to USN but once the chinese subs launch their missiles they will give away their possision and wil meet their makers at the hands of P-3 Orion (anti-sub planes) when the 63 chinese subs get sinked by the Orions the other fleet wil be no match for the USN, the chinese destroyers and frigates lacking of modern Anti air defences will be despose by the USN. Why the Aircrafts carrier it's important in a naval confrontation? Easy The US aircrafts carrier carry E-2 Hawkeye (The AWAK of the USN) This plane will provide the exact position of the enemy naval forces (in the case of submarines if their reactor is on the infrared sensores of the E-2 will detect them, otherwise they will not see the submarines) Must of the Chinese jetfighters (talking about J-6s and J-7s only have an operational radius of 500 miles to 600 miles and they will be far enough to intercept the E-2s and even if they do, they will find them self in a nightmare when the Hornest (F/A-18s) come to defend their nest. About the US marines not an elite than the US Army infantryman I suggest you to go to their websites and compair their minimun standards for infantrymen. About The PLA standars you can chek out and read a little bit more.... Ha and I forget to mention the Tanks and artilery cannons China outnumber US army in terms of tanks and artilery as well of soldiers must of the chinese tanks are small, slow and outdated US Tanks are regarded as one of the best of the world (... of coure after the german Leopard II) The Chinese T99 tanks are suggested to equally performs the M1A1 Abrams but China have very few numbers of thouse. In my personal experience as an U.S. Army soldier and I ussally get 36 and 37 out of 40 in my marksmanship qualifications and Im not even an infantryman I wish to get a nice score in my APFTs but I can't have it all after all... Im just a weekend warrior . As for Irak I was there and we having a hard time over there not because they kill us more than we kill them but because they use civillians as human shield and we cannot open fire cause U.S. RoEs and laws of land warfare. Until today we lost 3,200 soldiers and we have around 17,000 injured soldiers but they lose 662,000 terorist and former soldiers that means we lost 1 soldier every 206 we kill... Thats call losing the war to you my friend? Cause if is like that, I probably gonna star thinking that you think that the side wish lost more soldiers in battle is the winner side. About China and US engage in a war... I don't think so anytime soon not because we dont have the resourses, we are using only 16% of our armed forces (including Irak, Afganistan and all overseas forces).
But because US Goverment have no reason to attack China cause even that we have diference China is not considered by US a rogue nation as Iran or NK (more likely to have a war with the US but I don't think they will fight anytime soon either) So buddy chill out and be happy We are not going to invade China.

kunmingren said:

well, the scenerio is possible, but i yet i dont see that happening. Start with, USN cant simply 'crush' the chinese navy, especially if the chinese fleet hide within the aircover near the mainland. Plus the chinese airforce is a huge fleet of airplanes, many of them are obselete but there are still so many of them.

I think we should look at the Korean War, the Disparity is much greater back in those days between the two countries, plus the fact that Chinese were fighting away in a foreign land. Even back then the PLA put up enough of a fight to force a truce, i dont see any reason why today they couldnt achieve a better results, especially if they are fighting on the home front.

plus, i still dont agree with you about infantry training, could you elaborate more on exactly what a US soldier knows how to do that a chinese soldier doesnt. I never served in the military so please excuse my ignorance.

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About the U.S. Navy crushing the PLAN... probably your right I have to apology for use that word... After all the Chinese Navy it's getting better and If The face the USN the USN will not "crush" the Chinese navy cause they gonna take casualties but the US Navy still wins if that happen... If you want to know more about my analisis of the Navalwarfare chek what I say to Mr_C few minutes ago... About the infantry knowledge... you don't have to excuse yourself wit me cause we both want to learn more and If you know something I dont I will ask as well as you do. Ok let me answer your question friend First of all you have to know than the PLA is 2.5 millions soldiers, the bigest army in the world but half of the soldiers are conscripts (that means that they are forced to be soldiers, they... dont love thei job that can result in a lack of interest, not saying the PLA is coward don't take me wrong) Also by the thinks I read in the website and many other site saying that chinese soldiers barely practice in comparation with the US soldiers... And of course practice make the mastery not to mention the PLA have no seems major combat in at least 20 yrs... that means the soldiers aren't use to shoot people and for my personal experience I can tell you we humans aren't mentally mean to kill each other but we can override the human nature by going to conflicts (that can also make us crazies... but today in modern times thats a very small percent) We have more practice... a lot of more practice than the PLA does (by ) also I read In a U.S. military website (To be honest I dont remember wish one) than the U.S. Forces have the highest standars for infantry in the world that means that we have to hit more targets than any other countrie in the world in order to qualify as an infantryman... When I was back in Basic Combat Training I see a lot of soldiers than get military discharge just because they canot quualify with the riffle or just because the can't pass the APFT (Army Physical Fitness Test)... now think about it. You really think That the PLA infantry standars are as high as the US Army and they can pass getting less practice than the U.S. Army does? And do you really think than conscripts soldiers never try to fail in the qualification on purpose so they can get out the military... after all they are forced to be soldiers... the conscripts have not to mush love for the military... If they try to fail in the qualification and the PLA keeps them that may mean than the qualifications standards aren't high enough to a soldier trying to fail on purpose still qualify... If the PLA dont conscript the soldiers they only will have the half of the soldiers than they really have that means a little over 1.2 millions, USA have 1.9 millions and doesen't conscript anybody today... As for the guy who say than combat experience isin't really important and the knowledge can be pass to generations... Well that means that the PLA will have 90yrs old drill instructors.... jejeje trying to teach you how they fight in Korean war and try s to sell you that techniques still efective...? Give me a break even if they are able to teach you (not to reasonable if they are like 90 yrs old) they will teach outdated tactics. (Im not trying to offend no body, if I did forgive me. but I don't see any other way to put that on the table). Now lets talk about the enquipment The PLA still using the Type 56 assault riffle (a chinese version of the soviet AK-47) they were good assault riffles back to 50' standards but we are in 2007. The Official assault riffle still the M16A2 a kinda old but still regarded as one of the best of the world in overrall terms specially on acuracy (to be honest I can't say the same in reliability) Ask that question to your self. The PLA soldiers will be able to fire as acuarate as the US soldiers if they get less training and veeeeeeeeery mush less acurate riffles? Well thats all I have to tell you about your questions boddy anything else chek and feel free to ask more if you want

it appears ur only major source is from and other internet sites. Well globalsecurity rarely updates their info except for teh news that they have.
Corruption comes in many forms and in democracies it is much better disguised due to necessity. In addition teh acquirement of military hardware is not so much decided my the military. It is an agreement between the civilian leadership and contractors.
Secondly u r falling into the a military hardware comparison which is a contrary of the title of this thread.
On another note, perhaps as a soldier; u will feel that victory is a matter of statistics such as the kill ratio which is a feeling i completely agree with sometimes when u r in the field. In fact surviving is a success. But a nation would lose a war, if the political leadership cannot complete or meet their objectives regardless of kill ratio etc. A contemporary example is the Vietnam War in which the USA lost.
Thirdly, the Chinese have a long and outstanding tradition of political, economical and military philosophy and strategy. This is an area which they truely excel. And from the actions of teh recent pass and present, it is very clear that this tradition has been passed onto this generation of CCP leaders. This is what i envy most about the PLA, because it is the thing that makes them most dangerous. "Weapons r not as dangerous and people".

Mr C..Please use correct english. This is not a teen age forum. No more "u r" "u" & "r" etc..Thanks you.

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and other internet sites. Well globalsecurity rarely updates their info except for teh news that they have.
Corruption comes in many forms and in democracies it is much better disguised due to necessity. In addition teh acquirement of military hardware is not so much decided my the military. It is an agreement between the civilian leadership and contractors.
Secondly u r falling into the a military hardware comparison which is a contrary of the title of this thread.
On another note, perhaps as a soldier; u will feel that victory is a matter of statistics such as the kill ratio which is a feeling i completely agree with sometimes when u r in the field. In fact surviving is a success. But a nation would lose a war, if the political leadership cannot complete or meet their objectives regardless of kill ratio etc. A contemporary example is the Vietnam War in which the USA lost.
Thirdly, the Chinese have a long and outstanding tradition of political, economical and military philosophy and strategy. This is an area which they truely excel. And from the actions of teh recent pass and present, it is very clear that this tradition has been passed onto this generation of CCP leaders. This is what i envy most about the PLA, because it is the thing that makes them most dangerous. "Weapons r not as dangerous and people".

Mr C..Please use correct english. This is not a teen age forum. No more "u r" "u" & "r" etc..Thanks you.

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Firts of all my only source aren't the internet I read tons of military books, studdy military history and have personal combat experience (off coures not against the PLA) but I use the internet as reference so people can see how I backed up my opininon and not just talk without nothing to prove. If your not agreed I respectfully ask you where I can find more information so I learn more.

Second Im fully aware than this is a ground forces thread but military people know than air forces, naval forces and other forces work in a joint effort to achieve their goals, Thats why I compare the air forces and naval forces when I talk about ground forces... you know what, you will never see wars like Gettisburg, Waterloo or some pure ground forces battles this is the 21st century buddy, information and technology surpasses firepower in matter of importance in war, so If China and US fight neither side will only use their ground forces, Perhaps Air Forces and Navies will strike first and inflict more damage to ground forces, thats why USA can defeat the PLA even in Chinese territory... if your point is if the gorund forces of China and USA fight alone in Chinese territory without the help of any other forces... Of course China will defeat USA even if we are better trained an enquiped, the PLA is too huge and they know their own terrain better than anybody else. But that just imposible, USA cannot invade China unless the USAF and or the USN help the ground forces... In conclution with all respect, your point of me falling of the tread is not valid cause it's impossible to US Army invade China without the help of the USAF and/or The USN, so talking about navies and air force in this thread is nessesary cause their enquipments, trainning and performance affect directly to the ground forces.

Third in this time I will use my military experience to back up my opininon, (but I still thinking the internet it's better sourse cause I cannot prove to the people nothing with my opininion.) It's really hard (Not impossible) to do corruption in the U.S. military and get away with... in fact must people don't even try cause the UCMJ is too severe with that and soldiers respect (and get scary) with the reprecausions. If I dont use the internet I cannot prove to you what I gonna say but i gonna do it anyway. One former admiral of the PLAN recive over $13 in bribes... The PLAN punish him but after years of get away with...

Fourth I agree with what you say about how the wars are decide to be won or losses but, before a war it's over it's very important to know the statisttics... that way we can figured out wish side will be the winner.
If you use The Vietnam war as example to defeat my point that's true scince USA military definetley won, but USA politicans losse the war. Im not an expert in politics (I don't like it either) and Im not sure if we are allowed to talk about it in this forum, but Im dare to talk about it (to the administrators in this forumlease forgive me if Im braking the rules, if I do erase the part of politics) If you research about how the politicans loose the vietnam war you gonna note than when that happen President Nixon was in the Power in the US and he doesen't care about USA so a lot of irregular stuff happen. If where the president of USA vietnam war never happen, either current Irak war or the nuclear strikes against Japan.

Fifth and last I have to admit that Im a patriot USA citizen and soldier ready to give my life for my nation (if is veeeeeeeeeeeeeery nescesary) but I never let my pride defeat my common scence. Im also admire the Chinese culture not a fact I've been practicing Chinese martial arts scince 1996, My best friend its chinese (I wish shell be my girlfirend) and my favorite book it's the Sun Tzu's Art Of War. But this is a military discussion and you cannot mesure a countries might just by their honor. So no matter how good the chinese culture of military and economics are cannot be backed up by military force for the many reasons I say (and of course backed up before) If a fluke of USA politicans hesitate and decide to retrat after we defeat 95% Chinese forces happen, thats will make the US loose the entire war but we are soldiers, we follow orders. We dont make rules around here, and we dont have any fun killing and getting our selves kill, we just obey to prove our loyalty to our country and ensure the live's quality of our loves ones even if we have to die for it. So if your argument is than US politics can lose the war just like they did in Vietnam... thats a more acceptable probability. But if your point is that if the US military will lose against China (or anybody else)
I see it almost impossible... at least for now

My sincere apologies to the forum for being lazy by using incorrect English.

Perhaps there are some people who may have misinterpreted what I have said in my recent previous posts.

This dicussion is not about who will prevail if the PLA and the USA went to war.

I am merely making a statement on the various qualities and aspects of the PLA which i admire. In fact the military that i admire most is the Viet Cong, their soldiers at the time of the Vietnam (America) War were of the best morale and fighting spirit in the world. This quality was what made them prevail over France and USA, both of which were technologically advanced nations. That was the reason why "Weapons are not as dangerous as people" was stated.

Similarly, the PLA leadership has maintained a very sophisticated degree of strategic skills based on their actions from 10 years ago to the present day. A short example of their feats would include their patience during the Diao Yu Tai dispute with Japan in 1995 which is related to their recent actions in the disputed maritime territories with Japan. Another much more recent example is their handling of the Six Party Talks. The strategic skills displayed by the Chinese was very skillful. Such strategic skills is what i admire in the PLA and CCP. Thus the statement "Weapons are not as dangerous as people".

If one truely understands the "Art of War" written by Sun Zi, then one should understand the importance of the broad arena of war. An arena where people, politics, economy and military strength are all important. A lack in one of these areas will lead to military disaster.

"Therefore measure in terms of five things...The five things are the way, the weather, the terrain, the leadership, and discipline". (Master Sun Zi)

In addition, i can also tell you the things i admire about the USA military. I truely admire their support corps in terms of the quality of their staff and organisation, especially in the scientific related support corps such as the Medical Corps. This statement is based on my military experience.

Admiring an aspect of someone or something is different to winning or losing.

Scratch said:

Just quick interjection. I think SIPRI figures for China's military expenditure in 2005, considering power purchasing parity, stated $161bn.

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I get my information from and only says the chinese budget only spend $ 65.5 billions in 2005 can you give me the exact website of SIPRI so I can enhance my research?

Mr_C said:

My sincere apologies to the forum for being lazy by using incorrect English.

Perhaps there are some people who may have misinterpreted what I have said in my recent previous posts.

This dicussion is not about who will prevail if the PLA and the USA went to war.

I am merely making a statement on the various qualities and aspects of the PLA which i admire. In fact the military that i admire most is the Viet Cong, their soldiers at the time of the Vietnam (America) War were of the best morale and fighting spirit in the world. This quality was what made them prevail over France and USA, both of which were technologically advanced nations. That was the reason why "Weapons are not as dangerous as people" was stated.

Similarly, the PLA leadership has maintained a very sophisticated degree of strategic skills based on their actions from 10 years ago to the present day. A short example of their feats would include their patience during the Diao Yu Tai dispute with Japan in 1995 which is related to their recent actions in the disputed maritime territories with Japan. Another much more recent example is their handling of the Six Party Talks. The strategic skills displayed by the Chinese was very skillful. Such strategic skills is what i admire in the PLA and CCP. Thus the statement "Weapons are not as dangerous as people".

If one truely understands the "Art of War" written by Sun Zi, then one should understand the importance of the broad arena of war. An arena where people, politics, economy and military strength are all important. A lack in one of these areas will lead to military disaster.

"Therefore measure in terms of five things...The five things are the way, the weather, the terrain, the leadership, and discipline". (Master Sun Zi)

In addition, i can also tell you the things i admire about the USA military. I truely admire their support corps in terms of the quality of their staff and organisation, especially in the scientific related support corps such as the Medical Corps. This statement is based on my military experience.

Admiring an aspect of someone or something is different to winning or losing.

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Im agree with you when you say USA and France lost Vietnam War... But that was cause the USA politicans where week... The USA Forces never lost a major engagement battle against vietnam. US Forces were tacking apart vient cong troops I read the kill ratio was 1 american death for each 12 viet cong deaths (but I give you that, they have guts) Politicans lost vietnam, not military... Viet com not win because they fought better than american, neither France, they win cause USA Politicans give up, besidesNixon was in the power when part of the vietnam war was going on and he dind care too much about USA, so he dont take the right desisions regardless that war. If you ask me That war... as the same for current iraq war never should happen.
War is not allways fair... but we soldiers have to fight anyway. The Art of war says: Than the true warior is not the one who defeat 1000 enemies, but the one who defeat the enemi without spill a drop of blood... kindda impossible even for Sun Tzu... remember than he win many battles but he fight it out... ¨Weapons are not as dangerous as people¨ I Like that... thats why US forces train too mush their soldiers and have great success in war... however politicans are not as though as we are... they give up faster and they dont even go to battlefield. We fight, kill, get kill and suffer and we never give up. Belive me if the US politicans were the half of though as we are USA will never lose vietnam war. Viet cong never defeat US Forces in major engagements and if we losse 50,000 brave soldiers and we have a 12 to 1 kill ratio that means they lose close to 600000 soldiers... Viet cong and PLA have my respect... they have guts and I respect that... but simply US forces (not politicans) are superior plain and simple for the reasons I say beforce. And even with superior technologie, weapons and tactics if we go to the more basic level (the soldier) we have guts too... we are not forced to enlist in our forces and we still do so knowing that we can die and suffer... (I call that have guts too) Other forces are conscripts (forced to be soldiers)
Plus if my memory don´t fail me this tread was about: To those who serve/served in the armed forces: WHAT DO YOU ENVY ABOUT THE PLA... So I figured out that I fit the profile as an U.S. Army reserve soldier and Iraqi freedoom veteran so I decide to answer that question and say in resume... of course: I respect the PLA and I envy their manpower... thats it but US forces are far superior and I backed up my reasons why... comparing China´s forces with the US forces... oviusly by know we all know why I don´t have to envy the PLA or any other military in the world. The funny part of that is that you buddy come up with this comment about me getting of the topic after all the conversations that we do about the PLA and US forces? Im sure that almost any soldier in the world its very proud to serve their coutry as a soldier cause they are doing something great for it... The Ultimate Sacrifice... but U.S. Soldiers even with more reason to be proud of cause I dare to say Than scince USA exist (over 300 yrs) THE US FORCES NEVER LOSE A WAR... the politicans... another story (after all with all respect... they stink) By my 55 yrs old I should be president... thats a joke

aquilis182 said:

I get my information from

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and only says the chinese budget only spend $ 65.5 billions in 2005 can you give me the exact website of SIPRI so I can enhance my research?

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The figure at GS just converts the military expenditure of the PRC into US$ at current market exchange rates. Since things are cheaper in China than in the US, they can buy more for less money.
Apperently, it's as much as you get for $188.4Bn in the US.

Scratch said:

The figure at GS just converts the military expenditure of the PRC into US$ at current market exchange rates. Since things are cheaper in China than in the US, they can buy more for less money.
Apperently, it's as much as you get for $188.4Bn in the US.

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Thanks you my friend Im learnig from your source... Im analazing the SIPRI data and looks like they even clarify the fact (as you tell me before) than things are cheaper in China than the U.S. (thas ovious scince they are not nearly the same quality) But I have few cuestions than perhaps you can answer to me... Is not about the website you gave me but is about the quality and price of Chinese military spending against U.S. military spending.

1. China's military hardware (must of them... not all) are obsolete so they can buy (or produce their own versions) to a mush cheaper price than U.S. forces does, after all U.S. have more advance technology (oviously more expensive)... The SIPRI.org keep that in mind when they give the translation about the money spending?

2. I gess (This time I have no wesite to give a reference to backe up my argument...) but scince China's military forces are biger than U.S. Forces and the spend less money in their military than U.S. does... That can mean a Chinese soldier dont get pay as good as an U.S. soldier does? The SIPRI.org keep that in mind when they give the translation about the money spending?

3. I read at than they Chinese forces (including PAL, PLAAF and PLAN) dont nearly get the amount of training than U.S. Forces Does... I mean, amunnition for the weapons, fuel, mantenances and continuos trainning ain't free... The SIPRI.org keep that in mind when they give the translation about the money spending?

I trust the (scince their translations comes directly from the world bank) more than I do even with when they talk about military budget... but im just curious about those things in consideration
and to be honest Im not an expert in economy