To address its own and country biggest weakness, Huawei must advance its chip manufacturing.

Status
Not open for further replies.

Bob Smith

Junior Member
Registered Member
No, a neocon would be far more focused on regime change. They'd probably drag us into another crazy war in the Middle East. That would be a dream come true for China, if the US would produce a GWB Part 2.

Trump isn't going to war with Iran. I do agree it's foolish for him to even focus on Iran, but somehow he's managed to be focused on economically defeating China while still being beholden to Israel, the KSA and AIPAC in foolishly antagonizing Iran. But Trump's made it clear he doesn't want to go to war with Iran. He is just using Bolton to scare Iran so he can bully it into a corner and force them to sign a worse deal than what they signed with Obama.

It doesn't matter what Trump wants. If Iran attacks an American asset due to being pushed into a corner, he would HAVE to enact war.
 

tidalwave

Senior Member
Registered Member
China right now trying to survive. Talk about being 1 is living in fantasy land. Need to see a shrink.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
China right now trying to survive. Talk about being 1 is living in fantasy land. Need to see a shrink.
Number 1 only, whole world knows that. Survival is easy; just sign whatever documents Trump hands you. He's not going to kill anyone or plunge China into the dark ages; he's just going to make sure America has total control.

What, do you get a discount for advertising for your shrink? LOL
 

tower9

New Member
Registered Member
He made a mistake. India started blabbing about Made in India 2030 and the reception was largely positive but he forgot that China is feared and India is not. He did the same thing and got a positive result. All of China learned a lesson from that one but that is the past and now they every Chinese person's support. Blame game doesn't do anybody any good... except the opposing team.

Yeah, like I mentioned before. There is this deep lack of self-awareness that runs through Chinese people. This is why they very poorly represent themselves when interacting with foreigners, it's always very awkward. But in Xi's case, it was rather disastrous. China has a very poor image worldwide, a lot of that is due to intentional misrepresentation by the Western media, but at the same time, China is so awful at representing itself that even when it does, it's laughed at as obvious and ridiculous propaganda. Compare China's CGTN with Russia's RT for example, Russians are 1000x smarter than Chinese at media manipulation. Chinese are very socially stunted in comparison to many other cultures, it's a deep problem.

Well, China is a very new entrant onto the world economic stage. Chinese people are still starstruck by the prospect of having money so they think that anybody spending money should be treated like a god. Plus, it's natural that when you see droves of people from the opposing team learning and enjoying your society, you are uneasy. The former issue will get better with time, as China matures into a society that is no longer obsessed with just money but personal excellence. The latter will get worse, before it gets better after it settles to the Americans that they are now number 2 and it's no shame because there are 340 million Americans and 1.4 billion Chinese.

It's strange that most other Asians are far more sensitive when dealing with foreigners and able to connect in a better capacity than Chinese people. Most Chinese when they go to foreign countries are socially awkward and closed off, they just speak within themselves and cannot interact in a natural way with foreigners. That is why they are deeply disliked. I don't know if money will cure it. Many of the Chinese in Vancouver are millionaires yet they still act in a very socially awkward and unaware manner that makes them unlikeable. Whereas, people from the Philippines or Thailand are far poorer but are far more able to interact naturally with foreigners.

The bottom line is, if you are on course to be stronger than the US, you will be its enemy. If you do not threaten its throne, you will have its support. If Chiang's democratic China rose too fast, America would find a way to cripple it like it did Japan. It has nothing to do with ideology; America fears strength in a competitor so they will find every reason to hate it.

Absolutely. People in China need to realize that the US and Trump is out to destroy China's success, there is no point negotiating. China has a solid 1-2 years to rebuild Huawei's supply chains before this expands into an even more devastating attack against China's economy.

I don't want to be friends with people who act like that LOL. Is that the best outcome? I think the best outcome is when China breaks through all of America's tricks to contain it, then runs away with the number 1 prize never to look back. Then America will slowly accept being number 2 just like Britain has.

That would be the best case scenario for China, and really the only way China can escape being bullied by the US.
 

tidalwave

Senior Member
Registered Member
If you don't think China's goal is to be No. 1, I think you are either dishonest or not willing to face facts.

If China continues to develop, it will be No. 1 any ways. This is inevitable. The US does not want to be No. 2. It's really that simple.

Also, Xi has made it clear he wants China to be No. 1. That's what his Made in China 2025 policy is about, and his projection that China should dominate AI by 2030.

All US has to do is force Taiwan government to shut TSMC from making parts for China. Easily defeated.
 

tower9

New Member
Registered Member
It doesn't matter what Trump wants. If Iran attacks an American asset due to being pushed into a corner, he would HAVE to enact war.

There is a small chance that would happen. Although Trump has made it very clear that he is against starting a war with Iran. There is a bigger chance he will fire Bolton than getting into an actual war with Iran.

I can see a Gulf of Tonkin incident occurring with limited US casualties, perhaps orchestrated by the CIA, Mossad and the Saudis, or all three, which will force Trump's hand. But I think at most Trump will respond with a limited bombing of Iran but will never do a large scale war. Just like what he did with Syria.

Trump is very aware that these regime change wars have deeply hurt the US. I think you are underestimating him if you think he'll allow himself dragged into another war.
 

tidalwave

Senior Member
Registered Member
And trust me, it is coming.

But China do have access to lower own tech grade equipment and manufacturing. So they will able to make chips for their own usage and survive.

So that's why I talk about survival not about number 1
 

tower9

New Member
Registered Member
But China do have access to lower own tech grade equipment and manufacturing. So they will able to make chips for their own usage and survive.

So that's why I talk about survival not about number 1

So when the US was not focused, China was bragging about becoming No. 1. But now that the US is kicking China in the stomach, now it's just keeping its head down and talking about survival?
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
What a psycho freak? Huawei, China number 1 company on cusp of being totally killed and out of business and the freak still talk number 1, SAD
I don't see Huawei panicking; Huawei said they're prepare for this. I just see you panicking, inserting random question marks... and reverting to 3 letter Trump words LOL
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top