Tired of foreign domination of its telecom market share China...

pla101prc

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Crobato, Friend..how many PHDs do you have ? Your post are astoundling knowledgeable!

yeah i am just reading through his posts here with my jaws dropped to the floor...if i want to talk like this guy i'd have like a million books and military journals lined up on the floor of my livin room so i can start copyin all the information down.
 

pla101prc

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They can. Much of the datalinks you hear about the military was based in 1980s technology. And they keep it so because you have a large established base of equipment that uses the datalink protocol. Going to a more advanced datalink protocol actually forces an expensive round of upgrades to all your legacy equipment. This is something many militaries cannot afford. And remember, if ain't broke, don't fix it. Militaries are by nature, very technologically conservative.

If you have an absence of existing legacy, its actually much easier to start with a more advanced system. This is the advantage of having a clean slate.

Among Chinese aircraft that uses Beidou, Beidou for example is more than just a satellite positioning system. Unlike GPS, Beidou also allows a measure of digital communications, such as SMS. It won't carry voice, but you can transmit digital data on it, which means it can be used for a computer to computer interchange. That's what a data link means, a computer to computer communication.

then why is it that the PLA is generations behind in this area...:confused:
 

crobato

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I don't think that they're generations behind. A good example is the way they're using the Beidou PDAs not just for navigation and positioning, but also to send messages. Note for example why many recent planes, like the J-10s an JH-7As have this white knob just behind the canopy. That appears to be the satellite link.

Another evidence is the use of the Y-8GX aircraft, including what appears to be a dedicated C31 plane. All the Y-8GX appears bustling with links, including possibly those that include missile handovers---used to direct 022s and relay targeting information to the YJ-83s. Another example is the Yuanwang space trackers, which is an example of C41 level communications. You have these ships stationed around the world's oceans and are able to maintain tracking and contact with space craft and space probes every minute. And they did this without any permanent space tracking stations.

What the PLA is behind is not in technology, but how to use that technology. But they're learning fast, and the more hard knocks they learn along the way, the quicker the process. Generally, the problem of technology is the people behind using it or learning how to use it properly and to their full potential. Its the equivalent of people not learning how to use their computers and smartphones properly.
 
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The TD-SCDMA Industry Alliance has built TD-SCDMA test networks in five foreign countries including Korea, Italy and Canada, reports Sina quoting TD-SCDMA Industry Alliance Marketing Director Lu Yu on April 2. Test networks have also entered Hong Kong, said Lu.

China Mobile (NYSE:CHL, 941.HK) plans to invest RMB 58.8 billion in its TD-SCDMA network to cover 238, or more than 70%, of prefecture-level cities, this year.
 

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ZTE scores one in Turkey.

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ZTE Corporation (“ZTE”), clinches another major customer win in one of the fastest growing markets in Europe. The company today announced that AVEA, one of the Top 3 largest telecom operators in Turkey, has awarded ZTE a WCDMA commercial contract. In line with the company’s strategic plan to expand its WCDMA coverage, ZTE will help AVEA construct a national WCDMA commercial network, as well as UMTS network which will cover 33 key cities in Turkey’s eastern region.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Who said Chinese is not innovative enough Sumsung instead of Samsung Nckia instead of Nokia. HiPhone instead of iPhone :china: Shanzhai is the rage right now

In China, Knockoff Cellphones Are a Hit
By DAVID BARBOZA
Published: April 27, 2009
SHENZHEN, China — The phone’s sleek lines and touch-screen keyboard are unmistakably familiar. So is the logo on the back. But a sales clerk at a sprawling electronic goods market in this Chinese coastal city admits what is clear upon closer inspection: this is not the Apple iPhone; this is the Hi-Phone.

“But it’s just as good,” the clerk says.

Nearby, dozens of other vendors are selling counterfeit Nokia, Motorola and Samsung phones — as well as cheap look-alikes that make no bones about being knockoffs.

“Five years ago, there were no counterfeit phones,” says Xiong Ting, a sales manager at Triquint Semiconductor, a maker of mobile phone parts, while visiting Shenzhen. “You needed a design house. You needed software guys. You needed hardware design. But now, a company with five guys can do it. Within 100 miles of here, you can find all your suppliers.”

Technological advances have allowed hundreds of small Chinese companies, some with as few as 10 employees, to churn out what are known here as shanzhai, or black market, cellphones, often for as little as $20 apiece.

And just as Chinese companies are trying to move up the value chain of manufacturing, from producing toys and garments to making computers and electric cars, so too are counterfeiters. After years of making fake luxury bags and cheap DVDs, they are capturing market share from the world’s biggest mobile phone makers.

Although shanzhai phones have only been around a few years, they already account for more than 20 percent of sales in China, which is the world’s biggest mobile phone market, according to the research firm Gartner.

They are also being illegally exported to Russia, India, the Middle East, Europe, even the United States. “The shanzhai phone market is expanding crazily,” says Wang Jiping, a senior analyst at IDC, which tracks technology trends. “They copy Apple, Nokia, whatever they like, and they respond to the market swiftly.”

Alarmed by the rapid growth of counterfeits and no-name knockoffs, global brands are pressing the Chinese government to crack down on their proliferation, and are warning consumers about potential health hazards, like cheap batteries that can explode.

Nokia, the world’s biggest cellphone maker, says it is working with Beijing to fight counterfeiting. Motorola says much the same. Apple Inc. declined to comment.

Even Chinese mobile phone producers are losing market share to underground companies, which have a built-in cost advantage because they evade taxes, regulatory fees and safety checks.

“We’re being severely hurt by shanzhai phones,” says Chen Zhao, a sales director at Konka, a Chinese cellphone maker. “Legal cellphone makers should pay 17 percent of their revenue as value-added tax, but shanzhai makers, of course, won’t pay it.”

So far, however, China has done little to stop the proliferation of fake mobile phones, which are even advertised on late-night television infomercials with pitches like “one-fifth the price, but the same function and look,” or patriotic appeals like “Buy shanzhai to show your love of our country.”

Last month, the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology did warn consumers about the hazards of shanzhai phones, saying “their radiation usually exceeds the limit.” China’s consumer protection agency says faulty mobile phones were the No. 1 consumer complaint last year.

A few weeks ago, a 45-year-old man in south China was severely burned after his cellphone exploded in his shirt pocket, according to state-run news media.

But that hasn’t seemed to affect sales of black market phones, which typically sell at retail for $100 to $150. In the spirit of what is called “shanzhai” — which suggests rebels or bandits and which applies to counterfeit products of all kinds — many consumers are willing to take a risk on a cheap item that looks stylish.

“I saw iPhone pictures on the Web; it’s so cool. But it costs over $500 — too expensive,” says Yang Guibin, 30, an office worker from Chongqing. “So I decided to buy a shanzhai iPhone. I bought it in a digital market here; it looked exactly like the iPhone.”

Some experts say they believe the shanzhai phenomena is about being creative, Chinese style.

“Chinese grass-roots companies are actually very innovative,” says Yu Zhou, a professor at Vassar College. “It’s not so much technology as how they form supply chains and how rapidly they react to new trends.”

While the phones may look like famous brands, companies actually add special features like bigger screens, dual-mode SIM cards (which allow two phone numbers) and even a telescopic lens attachment for the phone’s camera.

Since it is the SIM card that makes a phone run in China, as in most places other than the United States, all you have to do is insert a valid SIM card into a shanzhai phone and it works.

All this innovation comes from an industry that only took off in 2005, after Mediatek, a semiconductor design company from Taiwan, helped significantly reduce the cost and complexity of producing a mobile phone.

Using what experts call a turnkey solution, Mediatek developed a circuit board that could inexpensively integrate the functions of multiple chips, offering start-ups a platform to produce a low-cost mobile phone.

The industry got another boost in 2007, when regulators said companies no longer needed a license to manufacture a cellphone.

That set off a scramble by entrepreneurs in this electronics manufacturing center. Counterfeiting and off-brand knockoffs flourished. Tiny companies would buy a Mediatek chip loaded with software, source other components and ask a factory to assemble them.

Marketing strategies were simple: steal. Designs and brand names were copied identically or simply mimicked. (Sumsung for Samsung or Nckia for Nokia.)

Tapping into the supply chains of big brands is easy, producers say. “It’s really common for factories to do a night shift for other companies,” says Zhang Haizhen, who recently ran a shanzhai company here. “No one will refuse an order if it is over 5,000 mobile phones.”

The people who make fake iPhones admit it’s a shady business.

“We are a kind of illegal producer,” says Zhang Feiyang, whose company, Yuanyang, makes an iPhone clone. “In Shenzhen there are many small mills, hidden. Basically, we can make any type of cellphone.”

The competition is already forcing global brands to lower prices, analysts say. And new Chinese brands are emerging, like Meizu, a would-be Apple that has opened stylish stores here.

“Our phone is even better than the iPhone,” says Liu Zeyu, a Meizu salesman in Shenzhen. “Our goal is to create a phone that makes Chinese proud.”

Chen Yang contributed research.
 

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Lots of the chips that goes into DVD players and drives are from Mediatek. MTK also appears in a lot of Taiwan handset makers, like HTC and Asus-Garmin.

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Microsoft and MediaTek to Develop Smartphone Chipsets
The chips would be used in WinMo-powered devices aimed for China


By Ionut Arghire, Mobile Editor

16th of March 2009, 10:02 GMT

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According to the latest news on the Web, Redmond software company Microsoft has partnered with the Taiwanese chip designer MediaTek for the development of chipsets that would be included inside future Windows Mobile smartphones aimed to be released on the emerging Chinese TD-SCDMA 3G market.

MediaTek is a developer of chips that feature both support for the Chinese 3G standard as well as rich multimedia capabilities, including LCD resolutions up to WVGA, digital photo snapper resolutions that can rise up to 5 megapixels, as well as VGA video recording up to 30 fps.

It’s a common fact that MediaTek enjoys a strong presence on the Chinese market, especially in the white-box handset area where it accounts for about 80 percent of the chip market segment, and this position is expected to help Windows Mobile-powered smartphones gain a large market share, as some industry sources indicate.

“We are still negotiating about the license fees, but one thing is certain that the price will be very competitive,” says assistant president of MTK. “The license fees are tied up with the shipment.” It seems that MediaTek started to work on the development of Windows Mobile-based mobile phones as soon as July 2008. Back then, Liao Qingfeng, vice president of Microsoft China, had just moved to the company.

According to MTK, the first chipsets for said smartphones are expected to become available sometime in the third quarter of the ongoing year, about the same time the 6.5 version of Windows Mobile is expected to reach the market too.

During the last year, a total number of 16.5 million units of Windows Mobile-based handsets were shipped all around the world, marking a decrease in share, down from 12 percent they accounted for in 2007 to 11.8 percent, shows a recent report published by Gartner.
 

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This is a stimulus package all to itself.

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Big Money Invested In China's 3G Development In Q1 2009
April 27, 2009 | Print | Email Email | Category: Business, Telecom & Wireless

China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology announced at a press conference last week that in the first quarter of 2008, the three major Chinese telecommunications operators, China Mobile, China Unicom, and China Telecom, invested a total amount of CNY120 billion in 3G development, achieving obvious effect on the promotion of relevant industries.

Zhu Jun, director for the communications development department of MIIT, told local media that according to the plan, the three telecom operators will directly invest CNY400 billion in the construction of 3G projects in the next three years and the planned scale for 2009 is about CNY180 billion. By the end of the first quarter of 2009, about CNY120 billion of those investments have been completed.

He said so far China Mobile has completed its first-phase TD-SCDMA project in ten cities, its second-phase project also has nearly come to the end, and the third-phase project is already initiated. For the other two companies, China Unicom is busy in the construction of its WCDMA networks, which are expected to be officially launched in May 2009, and China Telecom's CDMA2000 networks are also under construction.

Foreign companies like Motorola are taking advantage of the business opportunities in China's 3G sector. Motorola announced last week that the company has won a commercial WCDMA contract with China Unicom for Motorola to provide China Unicom with WCDMA radio access network equipment, packet switched core network, and 2G/3G interoperability functions that will enable a seamless integration of China Unicom's GSM and WCDMA networks.

"By leveraging Motorola's expertise in mobile broadband, we are well-positioned to help China Unicom deliver voice, high-speed data and Internet services at home and on the go" stated Dr. Mohammad Akhtar, vice president and general manager of the Home and Networks Mobility division of Motorola China. "This contract reinforces Motorola's long-term commitment to deliver a high-performing and reliable network that effectively supports China Unicom's growth plans."
 

ahho

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One thing that i don't really understand about knock off cell phone is that they make it so nice (yes some of them are pretty good) yet their battery capacity stinks. Is it really that hard to have good battery for a cheap cell phone since it battery life is also a selling point.
 

crobato

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The problem is that even Shanzhai iPhones need large LCDs, and some of those screens are as big to bigger than the iPhones and even have better resolution. But with large screens your electrical power consumption goes up. So even if you put large batteries, your battery life still goes down because of the screen. You have to do some measures to help preserve the battery life, like turning off the screen or keep it dim.

Some of the iPhone imitators are not so cheap either. The cost of the LCDs would be the same if you're Apple or small time shop. Actually, it should be lower for Apple because of volume purchasing.

Even with the fake phone you can't skip through features needed in China such as handwriting recognition for Chinese scripts, Pin Yin entry methods, high resolution displays to handle Chinese script.

Now for those not copying iPhone, I don't know much about the battery life. Its possible they maybe going cheap by buying small thinner batteries. You would be surprised that even in Japan, Korea and Taiwan, many high end phones still have small batteries in order to keep the profile thin. Yet at the same time, they got large screens. So if the copy phones are also trying to be thin, they would use a thin battery as well.
 
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