The World's 4th, 4.5 & 5th Generation Fighters
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LOL you made me laugh. The ultimate upgrade. Don't we all love ultimate upgrades these days? XD
I wonder who's next to get the extreme makeover.
LOL you made me laugh. The ultimate upgrade. Don't we all love ultimate upgrades these days? XD
I wonder who's next to get the extreme makeover.
Re: J-20... The New Generation Fighter II
Japan had designed the F-2 and a couple of training aircrafts (modern aircrafts). F-2 are based on F-16 though. I think what Martian means, was the Japan didn't had the ability to design and manufacture heavy fighters like the Su-27 (and its variant), F-15, Typhoon, Rafale, etc... much less stealth capable fighter like the T-50, F-35, F-22, J-20.
But in my opinion it might be because of constitution rather than technical capability.
Japan had designed the F-2 and a couple of training aircrafts (modern aircrafts). F-2 are based on F-16 though. I think what Martian means, was the Japan didn't had the ability to design and manufacture heavy fighters like the Su-27 (and its variant), F-15, Typhoon, Rafale, etc... much less stealth capable fighter like the T-50, F-35, F-22, J-20.
But in my opinion it might be because of constitution rather than technical capability.
Re: J-20... The New Generation Fighter II
Technically Japan has all the resources and knowhow to develop their own capable indigenous fighter. The problem is that it would cost a lot to set up the necessary production lines, and it will never be able to purchase the numbers necessary to cheapen production with economies of scale.
Re: The World's 4th,4.5 & 5th Generation Fighters
Gents..post your chit chat about all the World's 4th,4.5 & 5th generation Fighters in this thread. There are separate threads for the J-20 and F-22.. find them. Later I will move some post from the J-20 thread to this thread.
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Gents..post your chit chat about all the World's 4th,4.5 & 5th generation Fighters in this thread. There are separate threads for the J-20 and F-22.. find them. Later I will move some post from the J-20 thread to this thread.
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Re: The World's 4th,4.5 & 5th Generation Fighters
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Re: J-20... The New Generation Fighter II
Yes, I agree with you. It might not be the technical knowhow that keep Japan from developing their own heavy fighters... However I don't think it is the cost of setting up the necessary production lines that keep them from developing their own fighters.
In my opinion, it was more a political choice, international pressure and also US influences that keep Japan from developing her own fighters. However with China flying her first J-20, it would be interesting what the Japanese would do. Maybe their F-X or own stealth fighter program will go on full swing now.
Yes, I agree with you. It might not be the technical knowhow that keep Japan from developing their own heavy fighters... However I don't think it is the cost of setting up the necessary production lines that keep them from developing their own fighters.
In my opinion, it was more a political choice, international pressure and also US influences that keep Japan from developing her own fighters. However with China flying her first J-20, it would be interesting what the Japanese would do. Maybe their F-X or own stealth fighter program will go on full swing now.
Re: J-20... The New Generation Fighter II
I don't see why South Korea couldn't buy planes from Russia. Didn't Su-35 or some other Flanker variant enter South Korea's contest for a strike fighter (F-15K came out on top)? Russia is a major provider of rocket components for South Korea's Space Program so I don't see why not.
As for Japan's capabilities for designing planes... ever since WWII I think they've only created two indigenious designs. The F-1 fighter bomber and the F-2. I personally find it funny how the same people who call the J-10 a Lavi ripoff also believe the F-2 to be an independent design. No, don't get me wrong, I think that Japan has a fantastic aviation industry and is one of the top fighter aircraft manufacturers in Asia. It's attempt at designing new planes, however, hasn't been entirely successful. The F-2, which looks impressive on paper with its AESA radars and what not, costs an incredible amount for what is, essentially, a F-16 upgrade.
As for the ATDX stealth fighter project I'm of the opinion that Japan could, without a doubt, pull it off. However the more I look at it the more it looks like an attempt to "fish" for the F-22. In the end I think Japan would be satisfied with the F-35.
I don't see why South Korea couldn't buy planes from Russia. Didn't Su-35 or some other Flanker variant enter South Korea's contest for a strike fighter (F-15K came out on top)? Russia is a major provider of rocket components for South Korea's Space Program so I don't see why not.
As for Japan's capabilities for designing planes... ever since WWII I think they've only created two indigenious designs. The F-1 fighter bomber and the F-2. I personally find it funny how the same people who call the J-10 a Lavi ripoff also believe the F-2 to be an independent design. No, don't get me wrong, I think that Japan has a fantastic aviation industry and is one of the top fighter aircraft manufacturers in Asia. It's attempt at designing new planes, however, hasn't been entirely successful. The F-2, which looks impressive on paper with its AESA radars and what not, costs an incredible amount for what is, essentially, a F-16 upgrade.
As for the ATDX stealth fighter project I'm of the opinion that Japan could, without a doubt, pull it off. However the more I look at it the more it looks like an attempt to "fish" for the F-22. In the end I think Japan would be satisfied with the F-35.
hanqiang1011
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Re: J-20... The New Generation Fighter II
Hi,
I have read online regarding Japan's accuqiring of F-35s. Japan's own heavy industries are largely watched and limited by the US as with weapon industries, if Japan could produce their own high tech weapons and where would the US sell their weapons to?
As of current, the F-35 is the most advance fighters that one could ever dream of but still in testing stages.
I have note that on 4th link, should an unit of F-35 spoils, the whole unit needs to be send to US or the technicans would come to repair it?
Hi,
I have read online regarding Japan's accuqiring of F-35s. Japan's own heavy industries are largely watched and limited by the US as with weapon industries, if Japan could produce their own high tech weapons and where would the US sell their weapons to?
As of current, the F-35 is the most advance fighters that one could ever dream of but still in testing stages.
I have note that on 4th link, should an unit of F-35 spoils, the whole unit needs to be send to US or the technicans would come to repair it?
Re: J-20... The New Generation Fighter II
Yes, that is why I say US influences had a great impact on Japanese aviation industry and their ability to develope their own fighter. However we must also note that at the time of the F-2 and most probably F-1, the Japanese do not really have any reason for fielding anything more advance, since they came under the 'protectorate' of US and China do not really field many credible fighters (the bulk being J-7 and J-8, and J-10 was really either not in existence or not in significant enough numbers. And I think J-11B is not in existence too.
However, as China's J-20 flew and programs like the J-16, JH-7B(if it is proven to be in existence), AWAC and other advance weaponries came into existence, I would imagine Japan's nervousness and whether US would be willing to aid them when things went horribly wrong. Thus things might get different now and I believe Japan had all the reason to start beefing up their own defence industry.
Yes, that is why I say US influences had a great impact on Japanese aviation industry and their ability to develope their own fighter. However we must also note that at the time of the F-2 and most probably F-1, the Japanese do not really have any reason for fielding anything more advance, since they came under the 'protectorate' of US and China do not really field many credible fighters (the bulk being J-7 and J-8, and J-10 was really either not in existence or not in significant enough numbers. And I think J-11B is not in existence too.
However, as China's J-20 flew and programs like the J-16, JH-7B(if it is proven to be in existence), AWAC and other advance weaponries came into existence, I would imagine Japan's nervousness and whether US would be willing to aid them when things went horribly wrong. Thus things might get different now and I believe Japan had all the reason to start beefing up their own defence industry.