The War in the Ukraine

tabu

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Right. And what would those fifty old F15s do that the seventy Su-27 Ukraine had in its inventory would not?

As for the F35, if it is that good, how come Israel never enter Syrian airspace and continue to fire standoff weapons with it?
Right now Russia is putting the S-500 into service. S-500 includes the new Yenisei radar which can be also integrated with the S-400.
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As for business, the F15 has a REB that all C300500s don't digest well. A couple of growlers would be nice, but they'll do.
And Harms, which with the F15 fly farther and more accurately, and which will knock out radars up to 100km. And Amrahams or Meteors, which will ban all sorts of Su's from flying closer than 100km to LBS. And all sorts of jidams, which will take out all equipment on the LBS.
It is clear that F15 will be taken care of, and there will be no Cossack raids behind the Russian lines. And the F35 is two coases higher than the F15, isn't it?

Another thing: the main problem with all C300500s is that the surveillance radar, whatever its name or counterpart, has to work continuously. It was supposed to be reliably protected by short-range systems, but as we have seen, they can't even protect themselves.
 

Tam

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We don't see the aftermatch... maybe some of the era blowed up and it survived. would be interesting to see a longer video of these tank hit after the impact. It's clearly enough against self-propelled howitzer and IFV, not sure about MBT.

Assuming the tank survives, you have to rail it back to Western Ukraine for repairs, given that logistical and repair centers closer to the front have been targeted by Gerans drones or by Smerch or Uragan MLRS.

This Ukrainian tank took a big hit. I don't know what hit it but it's a big explosion.

 

sheogorath

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Another thing: the main problem with all C300500s is that the surveillance radar, whatever its name or counterpart, has to work continuously. It was supposed to be reliably protected by short-range systems, but as we have seen, they can't even protect themselves.

According to whom?. HARMs have killed more civilians than any of its intended targets and the few batteries destroyed have mostly to do with positions overrun.
 

B777LR

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As for business, the F15 has a REB that all C300500s don't digest well. A couple of growlers would be nice, but they'll do.
And Harms, which with the F15 fly farther and more accurately, and which will knock out radars up to 100km. And Amrahams or Meteors, which will ban all sorts of Su's from flying closer than 100km to LBS. And all sorts of jidams, which will take out all equipment on the LBS.
It is clear that F15 will be taken care of, and there will be no Cossack raids behind the Russian lines. And the F35 is two coases higher than the F15, isn't it?

Another thing: the main problem with all C300500s is that the surveillance radar, whatever its name or counterpart, has to work continuously. It was supposed to be reliably protected by short-range systems, but as we have seen, they can't even protect themselves.

Most of what you list there is available only to the latest new-build F-15 versions. No F-15 can carry the Meteor missile. I am not aware of F-15Es (original USAF F-15E, not the later export versions) ever carrying the AGM-88. The F-15 is not famed for its strong electronic warfare element, it has barely been updated since the cold war. The AIM-120 isn't the magic bullet you suggest, especially since the Russians have missiles that considerably out-range it. JDAMs require you to overfly the target, putting you in easy range of shorter ranged air defences. The F-15s that have been suggested as possible (if unlikely) candidates for donation to Ukraine are the early F-15A/C versions. Those are pure air-defence fighters, no ground attack with those unless they start doing Su-34 style bombing runs with dumb-bombs.
 

Atomicfrog

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Assuming the tank survives, you have to rail it back to Western Ukraine for repairs, given that logistical and repair centers closer to the front have been targeted by Gerans drones or by Smerch or Uragan MLRS.

This Ukrainian tank took a big hit. I don't know what hit it but it's a big explosion.

Wow the tank shot is chambered round when it got hit ! Maybe a mine for this one ? WOuld have been interesting again to see if it goes out of the smoke or catch fire...
 
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sheogorath

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This Ukrainian tank took a big hit. I don't know what hit it but it's a big explosion.

Quite visibly it drove on multiple little dots that were placed across the entire width of the road it was driving on.
It were tank mines and multiple mines exploded at once. It would be a wonder if anyone survived.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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Suggestion to moderators: could we cut down on the armchair general discussions so that readers can find the actual updates without having to scroll through pages of the same old nonsense?
Please keep in mind of this quote from the first post of the thread:

It is a Military Operation thread dealing with:
Strategy
Tactics
Events/Movements on the Battlefield
Equipment used and its performance
Debunking propaganda and false claims using actual battlefield based evidence

Based on that alone, “armchair generaling” is allowed. However the super mods who are typically and willingly involved in this thread can look into it since that falls outside of the thread moderators’ jurisdiction. @SampanViking @tphuang do you think we should reduce the strategy part to just allowing people to discuss things on the operational and tactical levels?

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So that means no discussions about things such as the impacts of the Shahed drone strikes on Ukraine’s power supply or how Russia’s mobilization is being conducted. Only discussions about military actions on the theater level and below are allowed. Fully cutting out discussions in general is just not possible without killing the thread.
 
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