The War in the Ukraine

[Tam]

Videos not for the faint hearted.

Moment when the Ukrainian tanker looks into the drone camera a quick moment before the Lancet impacts the tank. Orlan 10 is around for the kill confirmation.

I don't know if this is an artillery or a missile or even a drone. You can see something flying fast towards the target, now an ex-mansion near Avdiivka. Given its flight path, I think it is an ATGM or Kornet, used at the fortification.

Ukrainian armored vehicles getting wiped out, likely an LPR tank out of view.

Can't identify the vehicles on this screen although I can see a truck and a bmp. The truck is stuck on mud and the BMP next to it gets nailed. What looks like a mobile howitzer gets smoked.

Again, night time scene from the Sparta Battalion with an infrared copter dropping charges into trenches.

 

[phrozenflame]

So far I have not seen anything that I have not seen happen in other conflicts. You people continue to forget how things were in Iraq 2003. US soldiers were buying cooler t-shirts, body armor, ceramic plates, etc on their own budget. And that was a war with months of preparation that everyone knew was going to happen. HMMV crews were welding sheet metal to vehicles to attempt to improve their resistance to small arms fire. And I do not mean ballistic hardened steel but mild steel plates. Just because Iraq had a small cache of RPG-29s the US squealed that it was unfair and that Russia was supplying Iraq with anti-tank weapons and threatened with sanctions. When those had been bought like over two decades back when the Soviet Union was still around. The US also threatened to use nuclear weapons before the conflict started if Iraq used chemical weapons against them. But of course no one remembers this. The fact is, had the West not provided Ukraine with support, this war would have been over long ago. And Ukraine would likely have ended up losing a lot less of its territory. You will see.




Right. And what would those fifty old F15s do that the seventy Su-27 Ukraine had in its inventory would not?

As for the F35, if it is that good, how come Israel never enter Syrian airspace and continue to fire standoff weapons with it?
Right now Russia is putting the S-500 into service. S-500 includes the new Yenisei radar which can be also integrated with the S-400.

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I have always fiercely opposed Iraq war.

Yes, we know Ukraine alone would have lost to Russia by now. That's right now a theoretical discourse, not linked to reality.

Reality is that Ukraine effectively has a huge base of supply of weapons from all of NATO+friends. Now, that support comes in all different sizes, primarily led by US, it is simply, working. From north and then from South, Russia has been forced to retreat.

Russians dont have strategic momentum and there are systematic flaws in the whole setup due to the rotten core and corruption, represented by Shoigu.

You all keep citing how Ukraine is loosing more men, they are. But US primarily FP goal is to see Russia being defeated. Ukrainian citizens will be forgotten like Iraqis or Afghans were. Unlike US, Russia can't pour trillions and 2 decades into Ukraine. You cite Iraq, it was a war US lost. Russia is headed in that direction unless they stop the Ukrainian offensives

 

[gelgoog]

Reality is that Ukraine effectively has a huge base of supply of weapons from all of NATO+friends. Now, that support comes in all different sizes, primarily led by US, it is simply, working. From north and then from South, Russia has been forced to retreat.

Not really. Russia had to retreat because the Russian government were a bunch of idiots. The government did not issue a stop loss order when they should have. So tens of thousands of professional troops left the army when their 6 month contracts expired in the middle of the summer. That was the main factor for Russia losing momentum. But now they drafted 300,000 troops and they will be getting more than that between the drafted and volunteers.

Russians dont have strategic momentum and there are systematic flaws in the whole setup due to the rotten core and corruption, represented by Shoigu.

Bah. The West has had same or worse corruption on weapons programs and no one talks about it as being an institutional problem.
US submarines were built for decades with steel not up to spec and no one even noticed. The US Navy is still buying the LCS when they cannot use the ships for anything because they are crap. The F-35 is still not meeting the original specifications despite so many upgrade packages.

The US Army is not immune either. You had the shit show that was the introduction of the UCP cammo. A cammo pattern which makes you more visible instead of less . You had multiple, multiple failed vehicle programs which make the Armata program look like a breeze in comparison. Like the Future Combat Systems, or the Ground Combat Vehicle program. Even way before in the Cold War you had the M9 Beretta Pistol, a weapon that a lot of people claim was worse than the one it replaced, you would shoot and the slider would come right off.

I have seen people claim the Su-57 took way too long to begin serial production because it first flew in 2010 but "only" entered service in 2020. These people then claim that the F-35 was much faster because it first flew in 2006 and entered service in 2015. So one year less. What they forget is that while the first Su-57 prototype (T-50-1) flew in 2010, it had substantial differences from the serial produced craft, it was a flying test bed. You would have had to compare it with the X-35. Not the serial configuration F-35 prototype. And the X-35 first flew in 2000. So, sorry, but the Su-57 beat the F-35 in terms of time from first prototype to introduction into service. It is not 10 years (Su-57) vs 9 years (F-35), but 10 years (Su-57) vs 15 years (F-35).

You all keep citing how Ukraine is loosing more men, they are. But US primarily FP goal is to see Russia being defeated. Ukrainian citizens will be forgotten like Iraqis or Afghans were. Unlike US, Russia can't pour trillions and 2 decades into Ukraine. You cite Iraq, it was a war US lost. Russia is headed in that direction unless they stop the Ukrainian offensives

Ukraine shares a border with Russia. And Russian and Ukrainian are mutually intelligible. Not the same thing.

 

[Tam]

This one from the Kaskad unit in Donbass. A Lancet takes out a tank. The drones have HEAT warheads?

 

[tabu]

Right. And what would those fifty old F15s do that the seventy Su-27 Ukraine had in its inventory would not?

As for the F35, if it is that good, how come Israel never enter Syrian airspace and continue to fire standoff weapons with it?
Right now Russia is putting the S-500 into service. S-500 includes the new Yenisei radar which can be also integrated with the S-400.

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As for the F-35, it has been operating in Syrian skies for a very long time and very well. So has the F-15/16

 

[gelgoog]

This one from the Kaskad unit in Donbass. A Lancet takes out a tank. The drones have HEAT warheads?

Lancet drones can have HEAT, HE, or Thermobaric warheads. There are two types of Lancet drones. The ones with two sets of wings in the middle and the back have a 3kg warhead. The ones with just wings in the back have a 5 kg warhead.

 

[Zichan]

This one from the Kaskad unit in Donbass. A Lancet takes out a tank. The drones have HEAT warheads?

No evidence that the tank was “taken out”. All we see is a tank hit.

 

[Broccoli]

Russians get hit my drone dropped munition.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1592075564097359874

First really ancient T-62 lost.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1592068009941946369

 

[tankphobia]

Are we really going to go down the rabbit hole of just posting random assorted videos of Service members of each side dying with minimal commentary/significance? The first few lancet/drone dropped munition was interesting and generated discussions but now it just seems like the thread is getting clogged up with them. If you want to see people get killed by bombs, go r/combatfootage or something.

 

[Atomicfrog]

This one from the Kaskad unit in Donbass. A Lancet takes out a tank. The drones have HEAT warheads?

We don't see the aftermatch... maybe some of the era blowed up and it survived. would be interesting to see a longer video of these tank hit after the impact. It's clearly enough against self-propelled howitzer and IFV, not sure about MBT.