The War in the Ukraine

memfisa said:

As for Moskva there is still no concrete evidence proving that Ukrainians actually sank that ship. All I'm seeing here is cheap regurgitated propaganda comming from you

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I'm sorry to tell you this but if you are one of those who think Ukraine wasn't responsible for the sinking of the Moskva and instead think that the Moskva just sank on it's own by accident then you are no different than an ostrich with it's head in the sand.

memfisa said:

It's not really worth responding to this post, but I might as well.

The USA and Mexico are not at war, and have good relations. It would probably be swept under the rug and blamed on cartel fighting. And no, they wouldn't turn Mexico into ash.

Russia is at war with Ukraine, and is currently helping them decommunise by destroying the infrastructure built by the hands of the communist labour from the Soviet Union. Pretty damn helpful if you ask me, they should be thankful for it since the Bandera folks in power hate everything to do with what actually built that country.

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Do I have to spoon feed you? I was giving you a hypothetical analogy because Mexico is a neighbor of the US.
If you claim that the US would just turn the other cheek when attacked by any one then you have no idea what you are talking about.

memfisa said:

Also in regards to my previous comment, lets consider when Iran struck a US military base in Iraq with missiles, did the USA make an example of Iran by turning it to ash? Did they use force at all? How about the USS Cole attack? Or USS stark? USS Liberty? The answer is they didn't apply any force for these attacks at all so using the US as an example of what Russia should be doing is self defeating to your own argument

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The US killed the #2 guy in Iran and the Americans laughed about it in Iran's face and Iran responded by shelling an empty base failing to kill a single soldier.
The US grabbed Iran's balls and ripped them off and Iran responded by tapping the US on it's shoulder and condemning them, and yet you think that was a tough response?
And honestly I don't blame Iran for that shy response.

obj 705A said:

So because Ukraine's attack only damaged Russia's ships but failed to sink them that means Russia should just let bygones be bygones and continue on with the grain deal? perhaps till they sink another ship like what they did to the Moskva?

If Mexico attacked an American base on US mainland what do you think the US response would be? Do you think they would enter into negotiations with Mexico to ensure that Mexico's exports continue without any issues as long as Mexico promises not to attack them again? or do you think the US would reduce Mexico to ash to make an example out of them.

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Maybe there's more to Russia reinstating the grain deal than is immediately apparent to internet observers.

The US killed the #2 guy in Iran and the Americans laughed about it in Iran's face and Iran responded by shelling an empty base failing to kill a single soldier.
The US grabbed Iran's balls and ripped them off and Iran responded by tapping the US on it's shoulder and condemning them, and yet you think that was a tough response?
And honestly I don't blame Iran for that shy response.

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Maybe Iran isn't strong enough to carry out a 'tougher' attack on US assets without risking deadlier retaliation from the US.

In summary: Don't be the homeless guy talking shit to the bouncers in front of the club, when you are not privy to what goes on in the club

sheogorath said:

It is probably related to the agreement Turkey and Russia have about the former cutting aid to Ukraine in exchange for the grain deal. Who knows what the Turks might have compromised in return for keeping the deal on, as well.

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No evidence Turkey agreed to any such deal. Roping Turkey into the agreement was just a PR project for Erdogan and to try and to keep Russian Turkish relations good. The same with the Saudis and the Nazi POWs.

Putin should have dumped the grain deal the moment the cargo ships docked in Europe rather than in Africa. Waiting for NATO to use Odessa as a staging point for an attack against the Russian navy to cancel the deal, then backtracking two days later is typical of the pussyfooting we've come to expect from the Russians in this war.

Putin is lucky both Americans and Ukrainians have been stupid enough to provoke China with Taiwan because if they hadn't I wonder if the central committee would be thinking about switching sides.

Abominable said:

No evidence Turkey agreed to any such deal. Roping Turkey into the agreement was just a PR project for Erdogan and to try and to keep Russian Turkish relations good. The same with the Saudis and the Nazi POWs.

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Turkey is the second largest beneficiary of Ukraine's grain deal. They have a huge industry making flour and such, so it goes beyond PR and you can also see "we totally worry about the hunger in Africa" bs of the EU.

Rybar's comment on the grain deal, quote:

The Turks are one of the main beneficiaries of the grain deal. Naturally, Ankara will hold on to it to the bitter end. The whole deal was made to please the Turks: they have a huge milling industry that works on Ukr and Ru grain. Ankara made a pretty good profit on this.

In exchange, the Russian side received unhindered access to goods from abroad, in transit through Turkey directly to the Russian market. In addition, there were assurances of a "reduction" in direct and indirect support for Ukraine.

Thus, Syrian fighters were held back so that they would not go en masse to Ukraine. The Turks supplied fewer Bayraktars and Kirpis than planned.

From an economic point of view, the "grain deal" was beneficial for us, too. But it's become quite a nuisance for military and political reasons.

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obj 705A said:

The US killed the #2 guy in Iran and the Americans laughed about it in Iran's face and Iran responded by shelling an empty base failing to kill a single soldier.
The US grabbed Iran's balls and ripped them off and Iran responded by tapping the US on it's shoulder and condemning them, and yet you think that was a tough response?
And honestly I don't blame Iran for that shy response.

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Just a correction on your point.

This was not an empty base


After some soldiers publicly accused the government of covering up the attack (due to concussions and need to get treatment), the number somehow tripled


The soldiers were pissed off by the administration's "laughing about it" because while no one died, it was quite a bad attack for the people there. Trump initially said no one was hurt at all.

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If it were not for the advance intelligence and long prep time for the liquid fueled Ballistic Missiles (not just "rockets"), there definitely would have been mass deaths. Credit should go to the people on the ground

obj 705A said:

The US killed the #2 guy in Iran and the Americans laughed about it in Iran's face and Iran responded by shelling an empty base failing to kill a single soldier.
The US grabbed Iran's balls and ripped them off and Iran responded by tapping the US on it's shoulder and condemning them, and yet you think that was a tough response?
And honestly I don't blame Iran for that shy response.

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Iran's response was smart, not shy. America is a bully and Iran cannot match its power. So this response, which was not harmless as you claimed but in fact led to dozens of chronic brain injuries for US troops, many of which will become delinquents to be supported by the government for life, was the best Iran had to satisfy its people for the immediate reaction.

But Iran didn't forget this and its oppertunity came later. The US badly needs cheap energy. Iran refused, in lockstep with the Saudis. Then, Iran supplied drones to Russia killing an uncountable number of Ukrainians that fight at America's beckoning. And it's not over yet; the General's death inspired tens of thousands of young Iranian students to change their majors to nuclear/military engineering. When America abuses its power, it is like an angry drunkard who knocks over glasses and bottles with absolutely no plan on how to contain the water that is released. Seems Iran has plenty of balls left, and brains too, despite the departure of one man, eh?

supersnoop said:

If it were not for the advance intelligence and long prep time for the liquid fueled Ballistic Missiles (not just "rockets"), there definitely would have been mass deaths. Credit should go to the people on the ground

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What do you mean advanced intel and prep time? The Iranians literally told them they were going to bomb them.

Iraqi Prime Minister Adil Abdul Mahdi previously said Iran sent Iraq an official verbal message that an attack “had begun or would begin shortly,” on unspecified US military locations.

An Arab diplomatic source also told CNN that Iraq gave advance warning to the US on “which bases would be hit” after Iranian officials passed on the information.

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FriedButter said:

What do you mean advanced intel and prep time? The Iranians literally told them they were going to bomb them.

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They knew they were going to be hit, but they had initially planned for just a Grad-level rocket attack. However, it was satellites that revealed they were bringing in full tactical ballistic missiles. Even in your article it says "the nature of the attack was not fully known".

Also, your article was in January 2020, the report I posted was from April 2021. As I mentioned, there was a lot of complaints of cover up which is why more of the story was revealed. However, even then it was stated to be "a miracle" no one died.