The War in the Ukraine

RottenPanzer

RottenPanzer

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gelgoog said:
8,000 armored vehicles. The Russians do not even have that many in service.
Is this another shot down 12 cruise missiles out of 10 moment? Are they counting jeeps as armored vehicles?
Yes they are. And using Oryx's lost vehicles list of course.

Also, even if this was true and each of these vehicles cost the Russians a million USD, that would be 8 billion. So where does the other 142 billion this war is costing the Russians come from? For reference's sake a T-72B3M upgrade costs about that much. And a lot of vehicles in that list claimed by Oryx are actually IFVs or APCs which cost much less. So those lost vehicles probably won't even be 8 billion in losses.
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They probably compare their own military spending with the Russian one, which is quite inaccurate to compare because Russian equipment are usually cheaper then their own

Atomicfrog said:
Propably intended for that kind of target indeed, don't know the state of these missiles if they are coming from US stockpiles. Some are still in active duty in Europe, if these are send they could be of some use. Old retired one are probably a big risk for anything around them...
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I think its from the ones that has been in service in European armies instead of from US military storages
 
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The only thing i would complain about Hawk is target channels. Given Hawk is SARH and use a conventional FM-CW Illuminator, it will be limited to 1 engagement at a time. Not really a problem maybe back in 1960's and 70's but today. It become serious weaknesses.

Ukrainian's Buk is way better. But then their stocks of missiles might be even lower and expired. They probably would try modifying Hawk missile to be fired from their Buk's. Or somehow getting their 5N63 to work with it but i'm curious if it can be done in the first place as 5N63 use high PRF pulsed waveform (in other word Interrupted CW) to Illuminate target for its missile.
 
Temstar

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Hadoren said:
I'm truly shocked the NYT suggested Ukraine did something wrong.

Aren't Ukraine the paragon of light and justice and all that is good with the world?
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It seems after the S300 in Poland incident there's been increasing negative coverage of Ukraine.
This trend started happening prior to the incident, recall that news about Biden's phone call with Zelensky where Biden apparently lost his temper and told him Ukraine needs to be more grateful to the US. But post incident the media is picking up the pace.

While they are not close to abandoning him yet if the going gets hard in winter then who knows. The media seems to be paving the ground work for it.
 
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