The War in the Ukraine

Sinnavuuty

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The parties in Kiev look like they're about to end. The misery of war will reach your capital and the rabidly nationalist cities and towns of the West. Wars have a cost. Last month, most Ukrainians still did not feel this personally. This is gonna change.
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If Ukraine thinks of another provocation, such as the recent attack on the Kerch Bridge, it should better consider the consequences. Since mid-September, the Ukrainian counteroffensive from Kharkov has stalled. Despite heavy Ukrainian losses, the counteroffensive southward from Kherson did not move much either. On the Donbas front, the Ukrainian central position in Bakhmut is in danger of falling. Russia mobilized 300,000 reservists and 70,000 volunteers. They are now in training and next month they will be ready.

The weather in recent weeks has become more rainy. Tanks and trucks can no longer move across open fields without risking getting stuck. In late November/December, frost will set in. The ground will freeze and Russia may launch major attacks if the Russian military leadership so desires.

Russia has also changed the pace of the war So far it has avoided hitting civilian infrastructure, in addition to electrical transformer stations that serve the rail network, but has launched attacks on thermoelectric plants and the 330 Kv long-range electrical distribution network.

Russian governor of the Kherson region has announced the "organized movement of the civilian population to the left bank of the Dnipro river" - Kommersant
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Abominable

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Russia is a lot less desparate for progress...

Directly striking NPPs is a poor idea anyways. Since Russia intends to live close to there and have a client state there later.

Attack on substations will probably come once Russia's offensive comes. Bad tactics to do it early and let the enemy adjust.
It's much worse to let the Ukrainians carry on attacking the NPP that the Russians control. Russia will be blamed for either attack so you may as well make the fallout as close to Europe as possible.

More likely once bombs start landing on west Ukrainian nuclear sites, NATO will tell the Ukrainians to stop targeting nuclear power plants. Doing nothing will mean they carry on doing it.
 

Sinnavuuty

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That wasn't even the most questionable statement on the thread.

Update:
An interesting development here. An RC-135W River Joint RRR7218 was being escorted by two Typhoons in the Black Sea, just mentioning that in context, some sources claim that Russia had sent nuclear bombers to Crimea, which I think is unlikely.
Russia blames “technical malfunction” for a Su-27 releasing a missile in the vicinity of a UK Rivet Joint surveillance plane.
 

Biscuits

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It's much worse to let the Ukrainians carry on attacking the NPP that the Russians control. Russia will be blamed for either attack so you may as well make the fallout as close to Europe as possible.

More likely once bombs start landing on west Ukrainian nuclear sites, NATO will tell the Ukrainians to stop targeting nuclear power plants. Doing nothing will mean they carry on doing it.
But as far as we know the attacks on Energodar by AFU are useless and only cause them unnecessary attrition. They're certainly no closer to taking that plant now than they were before.
 

sheogorath

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supersnoop

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Yes, against cheap drones, missiles are not the answer IMO.

It will come down to SPAAG's like Gepard or M163 Vulcan and how many the can west scavenge and supply in the short term.

Speaking of Air Defenses before, what happened to Gepards? I forgot about them. Guarding higher value equipment? We know they are in the country.

What I heard from the Russian Telegram blogs is that Stingers have problems with Shaheds but Osas are able to intercept them. However, the supply of Osas are finite and cannot be replenished.

The drone has both a low IR and radar signature, and its slow speed makes Doppler an issue.

Could this also affect something like Gepard?

What about old ZSU-23-4? This thing was everywhere in Warsaw Pact before, all Soviet clients in fact... Must be better than desperately firing small arms into the air...

As an aside, firing small arms into the air in a crowded city is pretty dangerous, it's not like the movies, the bullets don't disappear, what goes up must come down.
 

sheogorath

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What about old ZSU-23-4? This thing was everywhere in Warsaw Pact before, all Soviet clients in fact... Must be better than desperately firing small arms into the air...

They had a few of them a few years ago and according to Team Ghouta, they captured a couple of them from the LPR/DNR.

But seem largely absent on the Ukranian side. The Gepards are probably guarding one oligarch or another.
 
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