The War in the Ukraine

obj 705A

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NY times is claiming that Russian missiles are less effective than American ones because they killed a smaller number of people.

"The Russian missile attacks that killed at least 19 people across Ukraine on Monday were wide-ranging, but they were not as deadly as they could have been. That has renewed questions over the quality of Russia’s weapons."

 

pmc

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I've wondered myself that since April and I've come to the conclusion it would take a lot of missiles and it would only put those roads and railways out for at least a couple days. Is it worth it if you're just hitting the road and railway and not the actual weapons? Targets like that need to be taken out by aircraft carrying 2000lb+ of ordinance to really mission kill it for more than a week or two. That's how the US does it no cruise missile for such targets always aircraft.
Brahmos type missile is pretty accurate. Russia has better version of it that can be deployed anywhere.
if more energy per target is needed they can use Kinzal/Zircon. Airforce shall not be used unless necessary for fix targets that behind the lines as it can create problem for combat search and rescue. I have yet to see a drone hitting a moving target that is protected by even a manpad.
Su-25/Attack choppers use for mobile targets more effective and thats what Russia learned from Middleast.
 

sheogorath

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NY times is claiming that Russian missiles are less effective than American ones because they killed a smaller number of people.

While the claim might seem non-sensical at first glance, it is just looking to reinforce the narrative that Russians were out to kill as many civilians as possible.

But apparently they missed and hit electrical infrastructure instead, as you do.
 

Zichan

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NY times is claiming that Russian missiles are less effective than American ones because they killed a smaller number of people.

"The Russian missile attacks that killed at least 19 people across Ukraine on Monday were wide-ranging, but they were not as deadly as they could have been. That has renewed questions over the quality of Russia’s weapons."

Well, the US dropped two smart bombs on a single target in Iraq in 1991 and killed over 400 civilians.

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SlothmanAllen

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so if this is true then, a month of constant production they can churn out 1500 Cruise missiles. and may need to add tally to Kh-101's and Kh-555 they were also made.

The cost of the missile in rough USD's can be low.. much lower perhaps than Forbes estimates. Kalibr itself is a deriviative from earlier RK-55 Reliyef and 3K-10 Granat, thus the development cost must be lower and entail lower risk as most of guidance, aerodynamics and integration already done in previous two missiles.
At 50 missiles a day would be almost 20,000 per year of just one missile. Obviously that doesn’t account for holidays and other downtime, but I think that figure is most likely nonsense.
 

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Xi Yazhou's weekly show, this time talking about kamikazi-UAV/pseudo cruise missile in the context of the recent Russian airstrikes.

He first pointed out that Shahed-136/Geran-2, on account of its small warhead, moderate range and cheap price intended to be used in mass should conceptually thought of as fancy MLRS rounds instead of low grade cruise missile. The reason for the cheapness is partly to do with size and partly because you're using an engine that's only a small step above an RC plane, guidance package that's about as complex as a smart phone's gyroscope and GPS. This results in a weapon that's easy to intercept for air defense but due to their numbers when used in large enough number they can penetrate any air defense.

The downside is the warhead. With only a 50kg warhead it won't be effective against a lot of targets you may want to hit. If you try to scale it up to a 450kg warhead you necessarily need to give it a much more military like and expensive engine, this drives up the cost enough that you have to worry about getting shot down by air defense so it then also need fancy guidance and in the end you'll just end up with a Tomahawk or Kalibr.

One suggestion out of this dilemma he suggests is for Russia to go down the same path as PLA's J-6 UAV. J-6 UAV can pack 2 tons of explosive all together, is much faster than Shahed-136 and is actually not that much more expensive given the air frame is sunk cost and you just need to pay for the conversion kit.

Instead of Mig-19 though he suggest Russia's stockpile of Mig-23 could be used for this. If they can get help from certain companies already experienced in this work such converted drone missiles could be available in a number of month. Their main disadvantage - that of hogging runway time would not be a large drawback in this war given plentiful military airfields in western Russia and the fact that VKS isn't making that many sorties a day.

I don't think that's gonna work very well. Mig-23 are notoriously maintenance intensive and getting them out of the graveyard is gonna be such a hassle that it isn't going to worth it.
 

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US has authorized sale of NASAM air-defense systems to Ukraine, so far Ukraine has 2 NASAM's, potentially more to come.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has said that U.S. President Joe Biden's administration had already decided to provide Ukraine with sophisticated air-defense systems known as NASAMS as Kyiv fights off a seven-month-old Russian military invasion.

It is thought to be the first public acknowledgement by either side that Ukraine was being given the National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System.

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Such claims try to make wishful thinking appear to be reality.

The reality is as follows: layers of cadres, contract soldiers, Luhansk and Donbass separatists, partly mobilised, cadres from the Air Force, the Strategic Missile Forces and others, Chechen volunteers from Akhmat and Wagner mercenaries, mobilised and prisoners from Wagner lie in the Ukrainian chernozem. With each layer the uniforms and equipment get worse and worse.
 
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