The War in the Ukraine

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gelgoog

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Strelkov? The guy who wanted the mass mobilization? He must have read way too much about WWI/II.
Russia probed and made massive gains in the south. They broke the dam which was stopping water supply to Crimea which was one of the objectives. Kharkov was supposed to have fallen similarly to Kherson, but the Ukrainian government had removed most of the pro-Russian elements from the local administration by this point, and put a large military contingent there. Allegedly a pro-Russian member of Kharkov administration who tried to come to terms with some Russian troops was killed by the Ukrainian SBU together with said Russian troops. Eventually the situation in the Center-North became untenable so they pulled the troops back. With Kharkov not taken and Russian supply lines overextended between Kiev and Kharkov it would be a bit of a mess to clean the remaining centers of resistance, like Izium, Chernigov, Kharkov, and clean up the Ukrainian army in the Donbass all at once. Mariupol hadn't even fallen then. So they had to reduce scope of operations.
They decided to focus on the Donbass which was one of the stated goals of the operation in the first place. If Ukraine continues to persist after that I think the Russians will regroup, pause, and start a wider campaign again. They might try to either get center Ukraine in one fell swoop or to get Odessa. Given what we know Odessa is the most likely option.
 
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plawolf

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Atomicfrog said:
It look a lot like the same bridge location that have been destroyed by Ukrainian ''airpower'' ? At least we have video of the strike if it's the same. It look like a low flying guided missile, doesn't look like artillery.
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It’s not. 595ADC77-25CB-41E4-A37D-2821FC742BD3.jpeg3207C34E-6B9E-4D05-B160-ACAF6DDE1A8F.jpeg

The obnoxiously large watermark obscures what would have been the most easily distinguishing feature, but the differences should still be obvious.

Although I must come to @SampanViking defence when it comes to his very reasonable observations that most of the armoured vehicles don’t show any signs of damage. A point proven at the end of the video where two guys can be seen casually strolling down the road, with noticeable movement of the tank turret hatch showing it’s not knocked out.

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Were there losses? Of course, but the scale of the losses seems clearly exaggerated, as is all too often the case with Ukrainian claims throughout this war. But let’s ignore that consistently track record of blatant exaggeration and take their claims at face value for the Nth time and crucify anyone who dares to question them!

For those who are actually interested in finding out the truth instead of wanting confirmation evidence of their existing views, as a general rule, knocked out vehicles don’t conveniently drive themselves off of roads to open up a nice clear path. Which I think is the point Sampan was alluding to.
 
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I was formerly in the Armoured Corps, and I can with a high degree of confidence support the assertion that destroyed or knocked-out armoured vehicles don't move by themselves. But you absolutely want to move disabled vehicles from the prefered route. ARVs are of course best for this.
 
Gloire_bb

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Problem with this landing isn't that losses aren't real - burned carcases don't lie.

Problem with those photos is that absolute majority of destroyed vehicles (excluding that unlucky tank company and pontoons) are BMP-1s, and there are some Ukraine-specific MT-LB variants in the mix(which admittedly could be captured).

BMP-1 in this conflict points either to Rebel republics or to Ukrainian armed forces*.

And while we can't really say for sure - end result is that this beachhead wasn't thrown back into the river.

*excluding BMP-1AMs from some Russian Siberian units, but those have very obvious and immediately distinguishable turrets.
 
SteelBird

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Soldier30 said:
Russian troops and militia special forces, with the help of anti-tank systems, delivered an accurate missile attack on repeater towers in Ukraine. Soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine installed surveillance cameras on the towers and used them to correct the fire of the artillery of the Ukrainian army. With the help of ATGM guided missiles, all targets were destroyed.

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The last one fall off before it reach target?

Satellite image show a Russian vessel maneuver to evade a missile. Not sure where and when the image were taken.

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enroger

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Gao is not a high raking official and there are hundreds (even thousands ) of ambassadors and ex-ambassador in China. Does such a view from such a person give rise to fracture in leadership. That's a long stretch. Come on.

In the past, many Chinese praised Weibos from the US embassy / ambassador. Today, a recent statement from the newly appointed US ambassador on "Russian crimes' attracted tons of ridicules from Chinese netizens. The people today are even more behind the current leadership. Sima Nan talked about this matter:

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Of course I'm not implying fracture among the leadership, yet former ambassador to Ukraine is not insignificant either which is why western media is making a big deal out of it

Within internal discussion, contrarian opinion should not just be tolerated but also encouraged, however an official at Gao's position even a retired one should be mindful of what they say in the public. The story in Godfather I is a good reminder of what happens when an organization failed to present united front to opposition.... Therefore I was extremely disappointed at Gao's behavior if it wasn't a forgery

This is OT from the war in Ukraine so I will not say another word about it. But if there is any new info about whether it was a forgery I'd very much welcome it
 
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