The War in the Ukraine

Gloire_bb

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The newly mobilized troops since the start of the war, are they classified as Territorial Defense Units or regular army?
3(almost 4) different and unrelated things.
-Army, both standing(pre-war), unfolded reserve formations, and newly raised(from 0) units, as well as all sorts of reinforcements. MOD.
-NGU(national guard). Ministry of Internal Affairs. This entity (often nominally) includes volunteer formations, like the infamous Azov.
-Territorial defense units. MOD.
 

Atomicfrog

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I wonder if it's signalling they intend to reinforce Donbas AZO with them.

The newly mobilized troops since the start of the war, are they classified as Territorial Defense Units or regular army?
It means that the east front is collapsing more or less... so they are risking reinforcement in the open. The soil as dried and they can move but i don't know at what cost if Russia can use their air asset with impunity. Maybe it's better for Russia that the Ukraine forces move east than deploying all they have to take back Kherson. and encrouching the West from south to north. Do we have some data on the number of bridge still usable to cross the Dnieper?
 

Temstar

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It means that the east front is collapsing more or less... so they are risking reinforcement in the open. The soil as dried and they can move but i don't know at what cost if Russia can use their air asset with impunity. Maybe it's better for Russia that the Ukraine forces move east than deploying all they have to take back Kherson. and encrouching the West from south to north. Do we have some data on the number of bridge still usable to cross the Dnieper?
Don't know, but apparently not long ago Amurskyi Bridge (one of the three bridges across Dnipro at Dnepropetrovsk) was hit:FR7naIPXMAE9-hS.jpg
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pmc

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Supposedly the first footage of the Wagner group operating in Ukraine. The scary part for future combatants is the amt of possible smaller recon or offensive drones that may also be on the battlefield.

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They showed up sooner that will lessen need for Russian domestic mobilization. it is like integration of Africa-Middleast-Europe into one battlespace. In 2018 Mali was barely mentioned. now how it end up for Europe few years later.



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Atomicfrog

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Don't know, but apparently not long ago Amurskyi Bridge (one of the three bridges across Dnipro at Dnepropetrovsk) was hit:View attachment 88267
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I think only 14 bridges cross the Dnieper, 2 are near Kherson 3 at Dnipro and 3 in Kiev. The two near Kherson are useful for the Russian and are the life line for their troops there. The others serves nothing for the Russian war effort, they help Ukrainian troops reinforce and letting the civilians flee to the west.
 

Abominable

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If you look at a map, you would see Russia hasn't achieved any major cities except maybe Mariupol and Kherson. Kherson fell within the first week, and Mariupol took almost 2 months. You have smaller ones like Melitopol and Izyum, but those achievements are very meagre for a 70-day performance. (The cities in DNR/LNR don't count since they were de facto under Russian-control before invasion). If I was Putin, I'd be pissed.
That's what Russia should be doing. Keep the front lines as close to their borders as possible. The goal for Russia now should be to destroy as much of Ukraine's military and fighting capability as possible. What difference does it make if the war lasts 2 months or a year? The sanctions and economic war isn't going away. The only disadvantage is if Putin is planning on invading another country other than Moldova after this.

At the start of the war, I said that Ukraine should consider withdrawing and forming a new frontline further west. The reason being that most supplies for Ukraine would be coming in from the west and as the Ukraine is a big country to get to the frontline is a lot of miles to cover. For Russia its a short distance to their border, some areas it's as little as 20 miles. I can understand Ukraine's reasons for not doing so, they don't want the morale loss of losing more territory, but that would be a temporary setback.

Now we're finally hearing reports of fuel shortages in Ukrainian cities, and some western mercs on twitter have mentioned taking diesel from Ukrainian farmers when on the front. I'm impressed they've managed to keep things together this long. If they're having problems with fuel supplies, it's likely they are having problems with other provisions ammo, food etc.

I can't see what the Ukrainian win condition is. So far they have been incapable of mounting any significant counter attack, let alone push Russians back across the border. It's only going to get harder for them. Are they planning on keeping Russians where they are forever?

The problem with that is that they currently have very little economy (thanks to the naval embargo) and a very expensive army to maintain. They are very dependent on support from the west to maintain their current status. It's going to cost the west as much as $100 billion a year to keep things as they currently are if you include economic and military support. There was plenty of support for it at the start of the war, but it seems to be getting smaller. The SJW are moving on from the Ukraine and will find something else to campaign about. Time will tell but I think as the economic downturn and inflation hits people in the west will start questioning all the aid being pumped into the Ukraine.

In other words, it could be a repeat of South Vietnam. As soon as the money flows stopped, so did the resistance. Except the spent to prop up the Ukraine is much higher.
 

Abominable

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Orion footage surfaces almost every day, actually, with the last one being from yesterday.
They don't tell it's it, but it's very clear thanks to a distinctive drift indication interface.
for ex, this one:
(note curious guided drone munition we've never seen before, btw)

HALE drones operate weeell behind front lines, that's the very purpose of that HA. If they do - good luck to Ukrainian AF ever getting near one.
And "pro-Ukraine" HALEs operate with US identification signs well outside of combat airspace.
Looks like laser guided krasnopol to me. Isn't it just Orlan footage? Hard to tell as Russian HUD doesn't seem to be standardised.

Even if it was Orion, I think it's the 7th video they've released? I'd expect a modernised army to be releasing multiple videos a day. Before you say it's top secret, why release any? Why have daily updates from the MOD of targets that have been hit? It's the same excuse Ukrainians use for their TB-2s. Videos of drones destroying enemy infrastructure is good propaganda.

Things can change and this could be a long war. Hopefully the employees of whoever makes Orion are working overtime.
 

cn_habs

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Btw, have the weapons Ukraine received being donated by the Western countries or will Ukraine have to pay for them monetarily at some point?
 
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