The War in the Ukraine

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supersnoop

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What's the production rate of Shaheed-136?
With the way Russians go through munitions, I am not sure Iran's industrial capacity can keep up.

It's funny because most posters seem to think Russia and China are closer, but that's probably only in the last few years.
If Poroshenko didn't lose, Chinese cooperation might have expanded (such as Motor Sich), maybe as far as local drone production.

siegecrossbow said:
Judging from the efficacy (or lack of) of Taiwanese air defense against civilian drones in Kinmen it might be cheaper and more effective to pull a Ukraine and modify fixed wing drones from AliExpress to suicide drones.
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This is why I never believed in the mass conversion of J-6's. They would be able to carry a big payload, but probably not as tactically flexible as a bunch of smaller drones.
 
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Quote ASB Military News:

Shahed-136 (Geran-2) Kamikaze UAV arriving at the port of Odessa, hitting its target — about 2 hours ago. The Ukrainians weren’t able to down any of the drones in Odessa.
Multiple Russian/Iranian kamikaze drones hit targets in Odessa. Ukrainian Armed Forces HQ’s hidden in urban areas were hit as well as the port of Odessa — air defence systems were destroyed and warehouse with weapons according to preliminary info.

You can hear Ukrainian Armed Forces desperately trying to down the drones with small arms fire. All drones hit their targets.

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Soviet air defense systems managed to down 1 Geran-2 today in Dnepropetrovsk.

The explosive power of the Geran-2 is demonstrated here, this is kilometres away in distance, pretty big explosion for such a small drone.

American military command must be seething at this footage, their 2020 systems couldn’t even detect the drone’s presence.

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supersnoop said:
I won't go further off topic, but isn't the number of drone J-6 in the 100's (out of 1000's)?
To me, that is limited.
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For obfuscating advanced air defense systems, you don’t need thousands of planes. Maintaining them in flyable conditions also cost money.

I agree. Let this be the last off topic post.
 
FairAndUnbiased

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kokole said:
Quote ASB Military News:

Shahed-136 (Geran-2) Kamikaze UAV arriving at the port of Odessa, hitting its target — about 2 hours ago. The Ukrainians weren’t able to down any of the drones in Odessa.
Multiple Russian/Iranian kamikaze drones hit targets in Odessa. Ukrainian Armed Forces HQ’s hidden in urban areas were hit as well as the port of Odessa — air defence systems were destroyed and warehouse with weapons according to preliminary info.

You can hear Ukrainian Armed Forces desperately trying to down the drones with small arms fire. All drones hit their targets.

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Soviet air defense systems managed to down 1 Geran-2 today in Dnepropetrovsk.

The explosive power of the Geran-2 is demonstrated here, this is kilometres away in distance, pretty big explosion for such a small drone.

American military command must be seething at this footage, their 2020 systems couldn’t even detect the drone’s presence.

Old Soviet AD: yes

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Damn, the kamikaze drones are putting in some work.

Turns out a primitive piston propeller "missile" with 50 kg warhead costing 50k can sometimes outperform turbofan or rocket missile with 500 kg warhead costing 1 million.
 
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Mohajer-6 is a slightly smaller version of the TB-2, Shahad-129 is much bigger.

It's unclear whether a single use suicide drone is better than a reusable one. There are advantages and disadvantages to both, but ultimately it'll depend on how effective Ukrainian air defence is.

Whatever one they go for it's important they get them in large numbers so they can swarm Ukrainian defences. I'd also mix in those decoy drones they were using at the start of the war.
 
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Abominable said:
Mohajer-6 is a slightly smaller version of the TB-2, Shahad-129 is much bigger.

It's unclear whether a single use suicide drone is better than a reusable one. There are advantages and disadvantages to both, but ultimately it'll depend on how effective Ukrainian air defence is.

Whatever one they go for it's important they get them in large numbers so they can swarm Ukrainian defences. I'd also mix in those decoy drones they were using at the start of the war.
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Well a kamikaze drone is basically a propeller cruise missile. You can use the crappiest, worst engines for it, cheapest materials, etc, load it up with explosives because it only needs ferry range, not combat radius, and launch it from the back of a truck. A proper UCAV is an aircraft that has to take off from an airfield.

I'm just surprised at how effective a propeller cruise missile is compared to real cruise missiles.
 
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