The War in the Ukraine

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gelgoog

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Broccoli said:
Russia has lost at least 46% of it's actice tank fleet (upgraded tanks) in Ukraine. If you wonder why we don't see any counterattacks from Russian military... here is a good explanation.
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More Oryx BS.

lucretius said:
This appears to be the same tank under tow. Looks legit to me.
I wonder how long it will be before it shows up in a western proving ground.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/xhsgy8
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The Russians should have destroyed that tank. It even has the stealth cammo on it. Sure it busted a track, but they should have destroyed the vehicle somehow even if it was with air power. I think that was a major fail assuming the Ukrainians did get the tank back to base which they probably did.
 
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memfisa

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Abominable said:
It's definitely cheaper than a guided missile for the same range.

The most expensive component would be the engine which costs around $10,000. alibaba and taobao aren't listing prices anymore, but I saw a similar one for that price. Electronics won't add too much, the airframe doesn't need to be too sturdy as its single use. I don't know what price Iran would be selling them for but I think the BOM is less than $20,000.

As I've said before, there is no cost effective way to defeat drones like these right now. They can be detected and intercepted by most SAMs, but is it worth firing missiles that cost millions at a target that costs the same a second hand car? It's cost effective just to use them as SAM decoys.

I wonder if Russia still has any of those suitcase nuclear primaries lying around....
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57mm gun with radar detonated fragmentation rounds would seem pretty cost effective compared to any other method of hard kill
 
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The most successful major Russian counter attacks and offensives do not rely mostly on tanks. They involve the full gamut of combined arms, and most in particular artillery. Close air support provided by ground attack planes and helicopters is also important. With regards to the use of tanks, the Russians have learned - and they should have known already from the Chechnya War - that tanks must be closely guarded by infantry.
Broccoli said:
Russia has lost at least 46% of it's actice tank fleet (upgraded tanks) in Ukraine. If you wonder why we don't see any counterattacks from Russian military... here is a good explanation.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1571450797640097793
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Biscuits

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Weaasel said:
The most successful major Russian counter attacks and offensives do not rely mostly on tanks. They involve the full gamut of combined arms, and most in particular artillery. Close air support provided by ground attack planes and helicopters is also important. With regards to the use of tanks, the Russians have learned - and they should have known already from the Chechnya War - that tanks must be closely guarded by infantry.
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This is a pointless point to argue since said numbers from the quote you quoted come from completely uncredible Oryx, part of Belligcat that also faked Syrian chemical weapons in service to the US state department.

Maybe Russia is more succesful using combined arms than with tank heavy pushes. Maybe not. Either way, Bellingcat is a fake source.
 
FriedButter

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Looks like it isn’t a one off event. Critical infrastructures is being targeted.

Huge explosion near the nuclear power plant in southern Ukraine about 300m away from the nuclear reactors. One of the units has been turned off at the Aleksandrovskaya NPP.

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Something in Zaporozhye blew up (transformer I assume) which resulted in a part of the city to go dark.

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The weapon drops out of the sky without warning, according to Colonel Kulagin and a Ukrainian artillery officer who witnessed one of the strikes. It is accurate enough to hit a self-propelled howitzer in a spot near the turret where gunpowder is stored, setting off secondary explosions, Colonel Kulagin said. In such strikes nothing remains of the drone after detonation, he said.
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Iranian drones is proving its worth. I don’t know why Russia spent so much modernizing their navy for the couple decades due to geographic limitations. There is not much use for them until the cold climate starts rapidly changing up north. Would have been better to spend it on developing drones and other land/air base military equipment.
 
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Stealthflanker

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FriedButter said:
I don’t know why Russia spent so much modernizing their navy for the couple decades due to geographic limitations.
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Well, bit out of topic tho but. Due to Global warming, we might see North pole ice cap entirely dissipate, leaving behind a massive sea. Northern fleet will have alot to do to secure any Russian interests there. Clearly some or many modernizations are required.

sheogorath said:
Counting Kiev as a "liberation" quite disingenuous considering the context surrounding it all and the Ukranians acting in bad faith and didn't much if at all over there.
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Well they'll say what they want to say.. that includes retreat from Kharkov. The Russians still have big homework to do. Particularly some which appear critical like Ukrainian can now have more space and closer to Lugansk for their artillery.
 
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Iranian drones is proving its worth. I don’t know why Russia spent so much modernizing their navy for the couple decades due to geographic limitations. There is not much use for them until the cold climate starts rapidly changing up north. Would have been better to spend it on developing drones and other land/air base military equipment.
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Drones are not prestige weapons.
 
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