10000 is the official total death count. A single operation with that death count including wounded soldiers would have stalled it.
The War in the Ukraine
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10000 is the official total death count. A single operation with that death count including wounded soldiers would have stalled it.
So if you go by this, and apply a 3:1 ratio for wounded, 40K out of the action?
Combat work of Russian 240-mm self-propelled mortars 2S4 "Tulip" in Ukraine. Combat vehicle 2S4 "Tulip" is used in the most difficult sectors of the front.
Twenty Australian-made Bushmaster armored vehicles appeared in Ukraine. The Bushmaster armored car began to be produced in 1998, the car was originally intended to transport 10 soldiers and not to conduct combat operations. The armor of the vehicle protects the crew from 7.62 mm bullets and high explosives, it can be reinforced with modules. According to the developers, the armored vehicle is able to survive a landmine explosion up to 9.5 kg. The R400S-Mk2 combat module with an integrated 40-mm Mk.19 automatic grenade launcher is installed on the vehicle. Despite its appearance, the car is considered successful and has proven itself well. The approximate cost of an armored car, 1.5 million dollars.
Combat work of the Russian Osa-AKM air defense system in Ukraine. According to the servicemen, the air defense duty is on around the clock, only the crew of the air defense system changes.
Russian artillery attack on the Buk air defense system and Krab self-propelled guns of Ukraine. After the discovery of the Ukrainian air defense system, artillery attacked the area and destroyed the installation. A Polish-made Ukrainian self-propelled gun Krab was also found. The self-propelled guns Krab drove into the forest, the self-propelled guns were destroyed there by artillery strikes.
Twenty Australian-made Bushmaster armored vehicles appeared in Ukraine. The Bushmaster armored car began to be produced in 1998, the car was originally intended to transport 10 soldiers and not to conduct combat operations. The armor of the vehicle protects the crew from 7.62 mm bullets and high explosives, it can be reinforced with modules. According to the developers, the armored vehicle is able to survive a landmine explosion up to 9.5 kg. The R400S-Mk2 combat module with an integrated 40-mm Mk.19 automatic grenade launcher is installed on the vehicle. Despite its appearance, the car is considered successful and has proven itself well. The approximate cost of an armored car, 1.5 million dollars.
Combat work of the Russian Osa-AKM air defense system in Ukraine. According to the servicemen, the air defense duty is on around the clock, only the crew of the air defense system changes.
Russian artillery attack on the Buk air defense system and Krab self-propelled guns of Ukraine. After the discovery of the Ukrainian air defense system, artillery attacked the area and destroyed the installation. A Polish-made Ukrainian self-propelled gun Krab was also found. The self-propelled guns Krab drove into the forest, the self-propelled guns were destroyed there by artillery strikes.
Found an interesting Russian channel hosted by Ariksy Smirnov. He is officially the founder and current commander of the "Angel" humanitarian aid battalion in the Donetsk People's Republic, but the content of the channel is far from humanitarian aid... Anyway, there are a lot of details to dig out. For example, the East-Ukrainian militia is heavily equipped with Soviet military materiel: vog-25s from 1983, T72Bs equipped with 3BM15s (you know how shitty the ammunition is), and the visible problems with the maintenance of the equipment: the BTR82A given to him for the show cannot close the commander's hatch properly and he has to fix it himself.
The Russians had noticed the build up, but since their personnel and materiel numbers were already greatly reduced before the offensive in Kharkov, they decided to leave even before the Ukrainians could make contact. It is best known to them as to why they had such a small number of resources in Kharkov.
The whole front collapsed in a matter of 24 hours. There was nothing to reinforce but they tried and got destroyed by advancing Ukrainian troops to the West of Oskil River. They retreated as they knew that they don't stand a chance in this swift attack (they were retreating so fast that they didn't think about destroying left behind equipment) and thet's the only good thing that you could say about Russian management of the Ukrainian offensive in the Kharkiv region.
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Doesn’t the flooding from the dam destruction prove why the Russians didn’t want to keep larger numbers there?
The area was only valuable as a springboard to move on towards Kharkiv from multiple directions, and realise its full potential once Kharkiv has been taken. Once it was clear that wasn’t going to happen, keeping large troop concentrations in the area only invites the Ukraines to blow the dam and flood those forces.
I don’t think this was all set up as some elaborate trap by the Russians. More of a unexpected opportunity for them to make the best of a bad situation, because no matter the military outcome from such a move, the civilian suffering will be immense.
Im sure that’s going to the angle the western msm will report this once they gather themselves and process this latest development.
They didn't stand a chance because they did not have the personnel in place to put up a fight even though the Ukrainians had telegraphed their build up for weeks ahead of time and they did not have the time to make any major reinforcements by the time the Ukrainians actually went on the offensive...
Even pro Ukrainian Western sources acknowledge that Russian numbers in eastern Kharkov were small to begin with. The Russians, for reasons best known decided not to send reinforcements when the Ukrainians we're building up their forces before they actually went on the offensive, and even before that, they decided not to keep a large garrison in place. Where the Russians have decided to keep large numbers of resources of personnel and materiel and reinforce them, Ukrainian offensives have been beaten back at heavy causalities to the Ukrainians. Yes, the Russians did lose some quantity of equipment, but I take it as a grain of salt as to the extent of the equipment that was lost during this particular offensive in Kharkov as compared to what the lost in the North in the first month and a half of the war...
Apty Alaudinov, commander of the special forces "Akhmat" of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the Chechen Republic, said that “the number of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which was advancing in the Kharkiv region (in particular, on Balakliya), was more than 30,000 people. According to preliminary estimates, Kiev lost more than 5,000 killed in the first three days during the counteroffensive.”
This statement by Apty Alaudinov is from September 8.
After the Russians withdrew from Kharkiv, according to reports from the Russian Defense Ministry, Russia continued to bomb targets in Kharkiv.
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Are you seriously trying to claim that an entire Tank Army was destroyed within 24 hours !!??
What would that be? Hundred of Armoured Vehicles and 50.000 men?
Zelensky is also claiming that his forces outnumbered the Russians by 8:1 so you are claiming that the Ukrainians were able to concentrate and organise, equip and supply a force of nearly 500,000 within a couple of weeks.
If any of this was remotely possible or true, we would be seeing scenes not seen since Operation Desert Storm, with miles long roads of death and miles long columns of Russian prisoners.
Given the Zelensky Regime jump on every little victory, magnify it and crow about it to the world, such scenes would have been making global headlines since Sunday morning!
The Ukrainians would have captured entire battalions worth of kit they could use.
Instead there is nothing, because there is nothing and Zelensky is still wailing and tearing his beard, piteously waving his begging bowl under the noses of the west.
Why would one army collapse so totally without a fight when the rest of the front line is holding up so well, especially at Lyman which just around the corner.
What your claiming is such obvious BS its actually an embarrassment to see it on this site. ALthough it does reinforce why this thread is so necessary given the total rubbish that is being distributed as news.
Back in the real world, it seems that the numbers on both sides were a lot smaller than people previously thought. The Ukrainian force may have been no more than 10,000 and less than 2000 Russians left in the entire sector, most of them LNR militia by all accounts.
What does seem to be the case however is that many of the Ukrainian forces were taken from the Bakhmut area, thus weakening the Ukrainian garrison there. If so we now can understand why Wagner and others have picked up there rate of advance on that front and look close to cutting off all the supply route
Is the risk of losing Bakhmut worth a PR exercise over MAMBO country in Eastern Kharkov? You tell me.
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