The War in the Ukraine

FairAndUnbiased

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FriedButter said:
NYTimes reported that the strikes on Kharkiv infrastructure had also knocked out the water supply to most of the city according to the mayor.
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This is good not because it harms civilians, which is bad, but because it shows that Russia has finally given up on the pipe dream of taking Kharkiv and is going scorched earth now. They should have done this long ago and accepted that Kharkiv was not going to be taken without loss.

This is symbolic of a doctrinal change which is what Russia needed yesterday.
 
FriedButter

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The one downside (for non-state observers) is that the amount of videos, information, and updates posted on the internet is likely going to plunge after this.
 
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FriedButter said:
NYTimes reported that the strikes on Kharkiv infrastructure had also knocked out the water supply to most of the city according to the mayor.
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FairAndUnbiased said:
This is good not because it harms civilians, which is bad, but because it shows that Russia has finally given up on the pipe dream of taking Kharkiv and is going scorched earth now. They should have done this long ago and accepted that Kharkiv was not going to be taken without loss.

This is symbolic of a doctrinal change which is what Russia needed yesterday.
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Why only Kharkiv?

This should be repeated in every single city, town, village all along Ukraine. No matter the munition required, conventionally glass (mostly Western) Ukraine and send it back to stone age.

Electricity, Water Infrastructure, Ports, Bridges, dams, transmission lines, airports, fuel station. Everything and anything, except civilians themselves should be targeted without mercy

The Russian Bear is a hallow shell of what it was in the past.
 
FriedButter

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TongHua said:
The bridges are not that important. If they can wreck the Kremenchuk oil refinery the war is over. Ukrainians won't be able to move their tanks and artillery. This is how Americans beat Germany in WW2 by wrecking Romania's oil refinery.
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You do know that the US attack on the Romanian oil refinery was a strategic failure right? Overall oil production was the same after the attacks.
 
solarz

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FairAndUnbiased said:
Well, if they wait, they need to keep lines as static as possible and inflict attrition. If there's retreat away from Orskil River then it's a collapse and it's not waiting anymore. So for now we can say they're waiting, but their position is not so good.
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Whether or not they're in a good position depends entirely on their state of logistics, which is a largely unknowable to civilian observers.

What we do know is that the Russian economy is going strong and support for the war back home is high. Those are the factors that win or lose wars.
 
FriedButter

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Looks like it’s lights out. Power infrastructure being knocked out also means water supplies are basically shutting down.

And reportedly 2 Ukrainian nuclear reactors are disconnecting themselves from the grid

South Ukrainian and Khmelnytsky nuclear power plants began to turn off the units.
The dispatchers are trying to keep the system from crashing.
In Kyiv, there is also no electricity in some places.
Half the country without electricity and water.
"According to the power grids and thermal power plants. They are tied into one system by region. It is necessary to take out all the large substations at once ..." - our like-minded people from KILLNET report.
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FriedButter

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sunnymaxi said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1568976292975878146
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Basically means Ukraine is out of armored vehicles.

Some other stuff.

Russian Govt official Marat Bashirov: "Ukraine is being plunged into the 19th century. If there is no energy system, there will be no Ukrainian army. The matter of fact is that General Volt came to the war, followed by General Moroz (moroz means freeze/frost)," says Marat Bashirov

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colorwolf99 said:
It depends on how you define victory or defeat for Russia. From Putin's Feb 24th televised address (
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) it appears that Russia's military operation had 3 primary goals:

1. Independence of the Donbass from Ukraine.
2. De-militarization of Ukraine. Meaning the surrender and disarmament of the Ukrianian Armed Forces.
3. De-nazification of Ukraine (I assume regime change to a pro Russian government in Kiev).

IMO if Russia fails to achieve most or all of these stated objectives then this war is a loss for Russia.
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As far as I see it:

Total defeat for Russia: return to Feb 23. Russia owns Crimea only.

Strong defeat for Russia: Russia keeps Crimea and some meaningless border towns.

Stalemate: most/all of LDPR independent, Crimea and the Kherson-Mariupol belt remains under Russian control.

Strong victory for Russia: Ukraine landlocked. LDPR independent.

Total victory for Russia: Kiev unconditional surrender.
 
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