The War in the Ukraine

memfisa

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A small victory amid so many uncertainties present.

Did you see the rest of what Rybar said?


What is the cost of this victory? This advanced line had no losses? Can they sustain the advance? Can you consolidate the achievements on the ground? How will they receive supplies? Will they keep the offensive without supplies?

There are so many uncertainties.

They have to do something, anything really. Here in the west alot of people have gone from unconditional support of Ukraine, to quickly growing number of people becoming weary of dumping unlimited billions into the corrupt cesspool while our own problems burn out of control.

Winter is just around the corner. Static defensive positions are ok when you have tree cover to shield you from detection. Those forests are going to become bare in a few short weeks providing nearly zero camouflage.

The RuAF is going to have a field day once the leaves fall.

I think at this stage kamikaze attacks is the only card left to play because this winter is going to be rough for Ukraine. What else can they do?
 

Soldier30

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Losses of Ukraine during the counteroffensive in the Kherson direction. The first footage of the consequences of the unsuccessful counter-offensive of the Ukrainian army in the Kherson direction began to appear. Officially, approximately 26 tanks, 23 infantry fighting vehicles, two Su-25 attack aircraft and 560 soldiers are reported to have been lost by the Ukrainian army. There is no video for all the affected equipment yet. Now you can see only a part of the affected military equipment of Ukraine. The result of this counteroffensive was the capture of the settlements of Andreevka and Lozovoe, several others have already been lost by the Ukrainian army. According to the latest data, Russia launched a counteroffensive.


Ukraine showed MiG-29 with AGM-88 HARM missiles. On the video you can see the flight of a Ukrainian pilot on a MiG-29 aircraft and the launch of AGM-88 HARM missiles.

 

Sinnavuuty

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They have to do something, anything really. Here in the west alot of people have gone from unconditional support of Ukraine, to quickly growing number of people becoming weary of dumping unlimited billions into the corrupt cesspool while our own problems burn out of control.

Winter is just around the corner. Static defensive positions are ok when you have tree cover to shield you from detection. Those forests are going to become bare in a few short weeks providing nearly zero camouflage.

The RuAF is going to have a field day once the leaves fall.

I think at this stage kamikaze attacks is the only card left to play because this winter is going to be rough for Ukraine. What else can they do?
The rasputitsa (
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) will hamper both sides, making the offensive and logistics very difficult and this played a significant role in the Russians' big problems at the beginning of the war. But even then it plays a less static front. On the other hand, with bad weather, aviation sees its capabilities reduced which gives the Ukrainians an advantage, it also reduces the capabilities of drones in general.
 
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Biscuits

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It looks like premature celebration by the Russian side as the Ukrainian Kherson offensive continues to advance. The Ukrainians have reached deep within enemy lines in Kherson Oblast and are on the verge of cutting off Russian forces at Davydov Brod.


Given how long this offensive was telegraphed by Ukraine, the swift collapse of the Russian lines in this area is virtually clownish. Also, unless the Russian take a major city by the end of September, they will have suffered their longest period of the war without taking any major city, exceeding the drought between the fall of Kherson (early April) and the fall of Mauripol (late May). It seems the offensive is stalling. The very fact that we are talking about Ukrainian offensives advances rather than Russian ones now is telling.
if this map is legit, just look at that shape. It's the move of an either completely suicidal army or one with so much overwhelming strength they can just keep the spearhead supplied through the super narrow corridor, its like what you would expect a PLA advance against ROC army would look like.

Either Russia is drawing them in and in that case Ukraine Army is utterly fucked and extremely stupid. They're going to lose everything inside that corridor which means 10 000s of men. That means, Russia could likely go unimpeded into Mykolaiv at the very least if not much further. Zelensky will then be proven to be a real clown, having sacrificed a perfectly viable defense and let his own countrymen be massacred. I'd even not be surprised if Zaluzhny (who reportedly was against the offensive) would just coup him.

Or Russian firepower is so poor that Ukraine can indeed break through there and go towards Kherson, in that case, Russia more or less showed they're even more useless than NK in the Korean war. In that case if Ukraine takes Kherson, China might as well take a far more hands on approach in dealing with Russia and the former USSR states. Either go all in and hard carry Russia with a new PVA, or let the Russians take a humiliating stalemate peace where less than 15% of Ukraine territory has been taken over and then start to turn Moscow into a direct economic and military protectorate, as this would be the only way to defend them against western coups and ensure at least some level of development is achieved within Russia.

Putin will certainly not have any political power to stop it if he fails this much.

I think this will be decisive battle of the Donbass war, whatever the outcome.
 

reservior dogs

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According to the Russian ministry of defense, 1700 Ukrainians have been kill in the two days of the so called offensive, along with 63 tanks, 48 other IFV and 14 pickup trucks with mounted machine guns.

You know things are not going well when the Ukrainian side has to use machine gun mounted on pickup trucks "Technical" style like in some of these African war torn states. A shoot out between these trucks on the move with the dug in Russian forces will not end well for the pickup truck and crew. With losses at this rate, the Russians will have their own counter offensive in a week's time.
 

Sinnavuuty

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if this map is legit, just look at that shape. It's the move of an either completely suicidal army or one with so much overwhelming strength they can just keep the spearhead supplied through the super narrow corridor, its like what you would expect a PLA advance against ROC army would look like.

Either Russia is drawing them in and in that case Ukraine Army is utterly fucked and extremely stupid. They're going to lose everything inside that corridor which means 10 000s of men. That means, Russia could likely go unimpeded into Mykolaiv at the very least if not much further. Zelensky will then be proven to be a real clown, having sacrificed a perfectly viable defense and let his own countrymen be massacred. I'd even not be surprised if Zaluzhny (who reportedly was against the offensive) would just coup him.

Or Russian firepower is so poor that Ukraine can indeed break through there and go towards Kherson, in that case, Russia more or less showed they're even more useless than NK in the Korean war. In that case if Ukraine takes Kherson, China might as well take a far more hands on approach in dealing with Russia and the former USSR states. Either go all in and hard carry Russia with a new PVA, or let the Russians take a humiliating stalemate peace where less than 15% of Ukraine territory has been taken over and then start to turn Moscow into a direct economic and military protectorate, as this would be the only way to defend them against western coups and ensure at least some level of development is achieved within Russia.

Putin will certainly not have any political power to stop it if he fails this much.

I think this will be decisive battle of the Donbass war, whatever the outcome.
Kiev is using its last cards in this offensive, having even moved reinforcements from other positions. In such a way that the concentration of fire is undoubtedly intense in the Kherson offensive. However, not enough for Ukraine to win. The russian troops therefore open the line, in such a way that the ukrainian forces that are concentrated begin to be dispersed on the ground. The column that forms therefore, despite appearing to be a line that penetrates the russian defenses, is actually a vacuum opened by Russian units that aim at nothing less than the complete destruction of the ukrainian offensive. The spearhead is easily broken. Ukrainians always fall for the same tactics of russian withdrawal, whether in Donbas, Kharkov or Kherson. It is not by chance therefore the excessive amount of losses that are being accounted for among the Ukrainian forces. The last report sustains almost two thousand soldiers lost, in addition to hundreds (150-170) of combat vehicles between tanks, armored and light vehicles.

Video from yesterday showing new equipment traveling by train across the Crimean bridge. Self-propelled artillery 2S19 Msta-S SAU and 2S4 Tulpan were sighted along with T-72B3M model 2016 and T-90A model 2005 tanks. The source claims to have T-90M, but I did not identify them.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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if this map is legit, just look at that shape. It's the move of an either completely suicidal army or one with so much overwhelming strength they can just keep the spearhead supplied through the super narrow corridor, its like what you would expect a PLA advance against ROC army would look like.

Either Russia is drawing them in and in that case Ukraine Army is utterly fucked and extremely stupid. They're going to lose everything inside that corridor which means 10 000s of men. That means, Russia could likely go unimpeded into Mykolaiv at the very least if not much further. Zelensky will then be proven to be a real clown, having sacrificed a perfectly viable defense and let his own countrymen be massacred. I'd even not be surprised if Zaluzhny (who reportedly was against the offensive) would just coup him.

Or Russian firepower is so poor that Ukraine can indeed break through there and go towards Kherson, in that case, Russia more or less showed they're even more useless than NK in the Korean war. In that case if Ukraine takes Kherson, China might as well take a far more hands on approach in dealing with Russia and the former USSR states. Either go all in and hard carry Russia with a new PVA, or let the Russians take a humiliating stalemate peace where less than 15% of Ukraine territory has been taken over and then start to turn Moscow into a direct economic and military protectorate, as this would be the only way to defend them against western coups and ensure at least some level of development is achieved within Russia.

Putin will certainly not have any political power to stop it if he fails this much.

I think this will be decisive battle of the Donbass war, whatever the outcome.
That salient is undefendable, it is like the Nazi German advance at Kursk.

Kursk ended any possibility of the Nazi Germans holding onto even a single bit of Soviet land.

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Fedupwithlies

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Looking at the amount the Ukrainians have gained and lost over this offensive, it's almost like they've resorted to human wave attacks. Jesus. I know westerners are very happy that the Russians are spending ammo killing Ukrainians but surely even they can realize the Russians have more ammo than NATO has Ukrainians... Right?
 

Overbom

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It looks like premature celebration by the Russian side as the Ukrainian Kherson offensive continues to advance. The Ukrainians have reached deep within enemy lines in Kherson Oblast and are on the verge of cutting off Russian forces at Davydov Brod.


Given how long this offensive was telegraphed by Ukraine, the swift collapse of the Russian lines in this area is virtually clownish. Also, unless the Russian take a major city by the end of September, they will have suffered their longest period of the war without taking any major city, exceeding the drought between the fall of Kherson (early April) and the fall of Mauripol (late May). It seems the offensive is stalling. The very fact that we are talking about Ukrainian offensives advances rather than Russian ones now is telling.
*sigh* look man, I appreciate your "efforts" on hyping Ukraine but is this map really the best you can offer?

You say this map proves that Ukraine has succeeded. You know what I say? This map resolutely proves that the Ukrainian offensive has utterly failed.
Seriously, even Elensky shouldn't be that stupid to believe this plan would work, right?...

I mean look at this tactical "genius" here. My 90yrs old grandma could do better than this
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