The War in the Ukraine

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
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When Ukrainian air units operate, they need to to fly nap of the earth, in an attempt to stay below the radar horizon. If they fly high enough they don't last long. Those Ukrainian aircraft you guys mentioned which attacked Snake Island, Russia claimed it shot several of them down on that same day in that same area.

As for Russia's supposed lack of ability to manufacture advanced weapons systems, according to Ukraine's government sources, Russia was supposed to have ran out of cruise missiles last month. How did that turn out? Guess what. They thought Russia was limited to the stocks of micro-turbine engines they imported from Ukraine before 2014. But Russia has made their own micro-turbines since. Same deal with missile sensors which used to be imported from Ukraine, or tank thermal sights which used to be imported from France. The entry into service of the R-77-1 missile in large numbers shows Russia replaced the Ukrainian sensors in that. And the tank thermal sights which were imported from France were replaced with their own in 2016. And in 2017 Russia produced its own MCT thermal sights which are better than the imports.
 
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AndrewS

Brigadier
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They never had air superiority, and they won't get it now. UAF still flying and fighting, on the ground Ukr getting increasingly sophisticated SAM systems. RuAF running out of PGMs. In any event, RuAF has failed to target, or prevent the inflow in any meaningful way, of NATO weapons to date.

There are a number of inaccuracies here.

The Ukrainian Air Force can barely muster a handful of aircraft in the air. In comparison, the estimate is that the Russian Air Force conduct an average of 200 sorties per day.

And remember that Ukraine has lost most (all?) of its sophisticated SAM systems over the course of the war.
If they receive more SAM systems, what is likely to happen to these?

Yes, the RuAF is running out of PGMs, but that shouldn't be a surprise because every Air Force would be in the same situation.
So they need to ramp up production of PGMs. But as long as the Russians have UAVs that can coordinate with land-based artillery and MLRS on the battlefield, they should be able to target heavy Ukrainian vehicles that have to expose themselves when they move.
 

Maikeru

Major
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Russians have air superiority just not supremacy. There a difference.

Also as you asked before about providing evidence for Ukrainian casualties please provide evidence for Russians running out of PGM?
See the UK MoD statements in the Drive article I just posted.
 

Suetham

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As recent as a few days ago Ukrainian Su-27s could not only take off but perform low altitude bombing runs over the Snake Island, so I take it as a no.
I think you need to go back to studying air domain theory.

My dear, the degree of air control of an air force is inversely proportional to that of its opponent, increasing air control by one corresponds to decreasing control by the other.

Air forces unable to contest for air superiority or air parity can only fight for air denial, where they maintain a level of operations by granting air superiority to the other side but preventing it from achieving air supremacy.

Do you really think Ukraine is suppressing Russia's air superiority?

If the answer is "no", we proceed with the next question.

Do you really think Ukraine is having air parity with Russia?

If the answer is "no", then Russia has air superiority.

A Ukrainian pilot himself said in April that they only fly 5 missions a day, the Russians are doing 200 missions a day. Where does this fit into your "Yes" answers to the first two questions?
 

Suetham

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See the UK MoD statements in the Drive article I just posted.
That's what The Drive has become, a speculative tabloid.

Did you really read how many speculations are in the article you published? And that includes Russia running out of guided ammunition. In March, Pentagon officials also reported that Russia would run out of guided munitions by the end of the month. This proved to be absurdly false. Now, the matter is back to square one TODAY. Do you know why?

Because Russia used yesterday and today missiles from the 60s, the Kh-22.

When Russia started using anti-ship missiles for land attack they preached the same narrative that the Russians were running out of guided munitions.

Do you know what a fact is about that?

Nobody knows about it. Not even the Russians themselves know.
 

Abominable

Major
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As recent as a few days ago Ukrainian Su-27s could not only take off but perform low altitude bombing runs over the Snake Island, so I take it as a no.
The fact that Ukraine are resorting to extreme low altitude flights tells you that Russians do have air superiority. They had to use the deputy commander for naval aviation for that mission so they're likely short on manpower at this stage as well as equipment. He died in an A2A engagement according to the Ukrainians.
Are your average airmen any better than conscripts? Who's gonna man those navy ships they have sailors doing ground operations with their limited training?
Russians have naval infantry, but I'd imagine they'd deploy regular forces first.
You are expecting too much from military what is underfunded (60-64 billion dollars in 2021) for it size. Many hundreds of combat planes/helicopters of all sizes, massive land forces with thousands of AFV's and artillery, massive nuclear forces, very large navy, and all with budget what is smaller than Britains. Yeah, they get more per dollar than Brits but that only get's so far and then minus losses caused by massive corruption problems.

Look for example how many nuclear powered submarines Russian Navy got and compare what Royal Navy has and RN most likely got bigger budget.
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I agree that the Russian military is underfunded for what it aims to achieve, but we see that in delays/stalled new projects. The corruption isn't the type to make 100,000 soldier disappear.
 

FishWings

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If it was a PGM or subsonic missile you'd catch a few frames of it in flight. It looks like a shell or ballistic missile strike to me.
UAF Su-27s were operating around the area, so it's possible the UCAV was there to record the destruction but the helicopter itself was destroyed by something like R-27
 

Bill Blazo

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In early April, I predicted that the Russians would launch a general offensive around April 25th. We all saw the massive artillery bombardment that started on April 18th and the subsequent advances across the eastern front. Most sources inferred from all this that the general offensive had started, and it's quite possible they're right. Maybe the Russians are really going for the Dvornikov approach, launching a grinding, methodical attack that clears the way with massive artillery strikes and infantry raids. We've seen a lot of the latter lately. April and May have featured plenty of videos of Russian forces ambushing Ukrainians, in sharp contrast to the first month and a half of the war. The Russians have certainly gotten plenty right this time around, especially their logistical operations and combined arms integration. But another theory is that the Russians are still holding back and keeping open the option of a blitzkrieg maneuver, maybe after they feel sufficiently confident that they've destroyed most of the Ukrainian army and the NATO weapons flowing into the country. A good bet is that the Russians have at least 100 BTGs deployed in Ukraine right now, with about 40 to 50 of them being held in reserve. My question is: what are the Russians waiting for? This question only makes sense if we assume that they do intend to make a major breakthrough in the near-future. Because if they're actively choosing a war of attrition, a Verdun-like scenario to grind down the Ukrainians to dust, then the question doesn't make sense at all. But this scenario just invites another question: is that the best use of Russian resources? Could the Russians be doing anything differently that wouldn't require a major overhaul to their war effort, like a general mobilization? I think the answer is yes.

The biggest strategic flaw in the Russian plan is that they prioritized the wrong part of the eastern front. The soft underbelly of Ukraine has always been the south. Whereas Donetsk and Luhansk are crawling with Ukrainian trenches, bunkers, and bases developed over 8 years, the southern front was never so heavily defended, simply because the Ukrainians probably never expected that they'd have to fight a massive war for it. In one of my predictions, I thought that the Russians would really prioritize the southern pincer through Velyka Novosilka and Huliapole. Those are the two critical military gateways into the heart of Eastern Ukraine, if you’re coming from the south. And yet the Russians have what, maybe 15 BTGs along the southern front? When they should be packing at least 30 down there. In the grinding push that began in April, the Russians have captured Popasna, Kreminna, and Oskil. These are their main achievements, though certainly not the only ones (there were reports out today that they'd also captured Velyka Komyshuvakha, which would be big news if true). And yet the fact that Velyka Novosilka is not in there should be very disappointing for them. The Russians got the right network geography when they went after Izium and captured it, because it's so centralized relative to everything on the eastern front. But they need to wake up and realize that VN and Huilapole are the two central pillars between Donetsk and Zaporizhzhia supporting the entire Ukrainian position in the east. And here's the kicker: they're much easier to capture than places like Severodonetsk and Popasna because they're way smaller! I wonder how much of this reluctance to really push across the south is also due to the fact that Azovstal still has not fallen. Time will tell.

As for Ukraine, it's now become a useful Western proxy to wear down the Russians. Zelensky made the wrong calculation after the Russian withdrawal from the north. He assumed that the Russians were beaten and that he could push for maximalist political and military aims, like the recapture of Crimea and the east. If he'd agreed to a political settlement where he gave away the Donbas and Kherson, that would have been the end of it, at least for the next 5 years. Instead he's pulled his own Putin and decided to go for it all, no doubt under heavy Western pressure. The real risk is that Ukraine could end up losing far more than Kherson and the Donbas. They'll probably lose all of Kharkiv oblast east of the Donets River, and who knows what else. We're talking prime time agricultural land here, the good shit, the shit that allows Ukraine to be a power player in global food markets. It's also unclear what effects the new Westerns toys will have on the course of the actual war (and not the Twitter war that Ukrainians are often fighting). Some of these weapons will never make it to the frontline, others will be captured, and the majority will probably be misused due to lack of training and situational awareness that cannot be made up even with all the intelligence the Pentagon can provide (there's already indications of Ukrainians mucking up the Switchblades). Western weapons will be just enough to keep Ukraine hanging on by a thread, but at great cost to both the Ukrainians and to Western arms inventories.

So to sum it all up: the Russians need more troops in Ukraine and they should attack across the south. The Ukrainians need to get the hell out of the SLR metroplex and establish a better defensive line to the west. Lots of crazy stuff happening. This month should be full of big news.
 
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