The War in the Ukraine

What's the point of crowdfunding some drones anyway? What some sort of tactical advantage it could achieve?
With HIMARS and other western artillery i understand, but why drones? The most they can do is harassed and inflicting insignificant losses to Russian positions!!

Should have just relocated those fundings to provide Ukraine more artillery and all sorts of missiles...

plawolf said:

Yeah, would be funny if Russian psyops about such sales got the Ukrainians so keyed up their commissars inadvertently immobilised their HIMARS by executing drivers for attempted sabotage every time they hit a pot hole and everyone else in the unit all suddenly remembered they cannot drive.

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You are one sneaky guy . I like the way you think

I don't find it surprising at all if they were sold. Not every SVU member is so intoxicated of the very own propaganda that they are beating the Russians. Why would they risk their lives for a lousy wage and a lousy pay-out if they go KIA, which most probably won't paid all that while being a VIP target just for a few shots and for twitter propaganda. I would sell that stuff too. They did that in the past with every system they had. This wasn't the first nor the last time VSU is selling mediocre equipment to Russia.

Bayraktars got decent optics and satcom so it can be used as purely recon asset flying well behind front line. This way it is protected from Russian air defense and if Ukrainians are willing to take certain risk, it can be used for attacks on units which got out of air defense bubble during attacks on Ukrainian positions.

Sheleah said:

I wasn't even talking about the zoom, but about the resolution, even without zoom, very low resolution cameras and very limited zoom... The worst thing is that artillery corrections are entrusted to these types of unprofessional cameras

For the rest, thanks for assuming that the two sides misrepresent...

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Take a look here
It is a downed Orlan. The inforgraph by US saying that the camera is Canon DSLR 800D (APS-C sensor) with a 85mm lens.

Another link with better photo and youtube video is here

From the youtube video, it seems that the lens is 50mm F1.8. A 50mm lens on a APS-C camera gives 1.6 magnification. A 85mm gives 2.72. None of them are big when the aircraft flies many hundreds meters above.

About resolution, do you mean the camera's pixel count? The camera has a "whooping" 24 megapixel. However pixel count is not the same thing as resolution in the final image. It is a huge and very common misunderstanding in the consumer world that the high pixel count gives high resolution. In reality, it gives you nothing if your lens is of low specification. Nothing more can be registered on the sensor if the lens can not provide the angular resolution in the first place.

Apparently there was another friendly fire incident and a Su-35 got shot down near Kherson

Please cite the source. If it is just a rumor, please don't post it until a more authoritative source reports on it.

taxiya said:

Take a look here

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It is a downed Orlan. The inforgraph by US saying that the camera is Canon DSLR 800D (APS-C sensor) with a 85mm lens.

Another link with better photo and youtube video is here

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From the youtube video, it seems that the lens is 50mm F1.8. A 50mm lens on a APS-C camera gives 1.6 magnification. A 85mm gives 2.72. None of them are big when the aircraft flies many hundreds meters above.

About resolution, do you mean the camera's pixel count? The camera has a "whooping" 24 megapixel. However pixel count is not the same thing as resolution in the final image. It is a huge and very common misunderstanding in the consumer world that the high pixel count gives high resolution. In reality, it gives you nothing if your lens is of low specification. Nothing more can be registered on the sensor if the lens can not provide the angular resolution in the first place.

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They use Canon because of the CHDK.

The camera could be controlled remotelly ,and semalesly integrated into any drone.
Reason of the choice.


The CHDK gives scpriting functions, means the camera could be triggered by pre-pragrammed pattern, could download partial pictures, and the camera could do all heavy workload regards of picture processing.


Many of the lightning pictures on the net was shoot by CHDK.

I would choose the same for this function.


The D800 flying 100 meters high, with 50mm lens gives a box of 70*47meter big box.
Resolution gives 11 mm bix pixels on gorund, means each pixel is 11mm*11mm square on the ground.
problem is this picture on its own require 100 mbyte/sec bandwith to transfer in raw, for jpeg it require 3-5mb/sec, but it gives only one frame/sec.

Now, imagine how could you transfer 40 mbit/sec over say 10 km, if there is only an omidirectional dipole on the orlan. And how easy is to jam that.
And what power required to transfer 24 mpixel jpeg with 1 frame/sec.







That is not a bottle, the guy shown only the top of it, didn't disassemled it, because the internal barrell is specifically designed for the drone.

The top of it is similar to the consumer bottles, due to the same reason why it is used on the bottles : )

I'm sure the canon on the Orlan is used for high resolution landscaping. They use another camera and an IR sensor for navigation/target acquisition.

Zelensky's wife coming to the US to make a speech in congress to ask for weapons. Zelensky's wife = Chiang Kai Shaik's wife. Shameful.

Topazchen said:

I strongly doubt there were HIMARS that were captured or sold. We'd have seen pics and the Russians would have provided evidence milking the ensuing scandal.

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I think they would keep it as low key as possible if it was sold to avoid the security clamp down that just happened.

sheogorath said:

Apparently there was another friendly fire incident and a Su-35 got shot down near Kherson

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By another you mean this one I suppose?